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Djmixxx wrote:
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Your know, i'll manage my problems in own, but i don't need such "help", as russian government proposed me. Firstly, as i wrote before, Russia was first in 2014.
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Djmixxx wrote:
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Since registration you post 10 post per day on this forum to do the apology of the war, yes you are to blame you are the only one doing this, 100% of your post, 10 per days in average. Not even trying to go in a discussion, just gross lies over gross lies.
Thanks for your personal opinion. Everyone can decide for himself what is true and what is false.
yes, we've all told you repeatedly that we don't want you here. your views are not even your own, but recycled trash propaganda.

you mock others for caring, but otherwise why have you wasted so much time on more than 570 posts now in this forum? 2 months, 10 per day. how little do you have to live for that this is the best you can do?

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I come here to read this thread because I care what is going on in the world around us, and I like to hear the opinions and views on that subject from people closer to the situation than I am personally.
Nothing lately but troll this and troll that. :roll:
Let this be the last post on trolls ..... I AM THE TROLL ..... and back on topic please... with some more valid points and examples

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I've been reading the whole thread since the beginning that is the 02 of MARCH 2022, keep the date in mind and look at this :

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hackamod wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:47 am
Nothing lately but troll this and troll that. :roll:
There are several reason explainings why the factuals datas are less numerous than in the earlier days of the conflict, military both sides adapted to the profusion of the news to avoid being targeted after their exposure, that is on tactical level, and the communication strategy of the aggressing party has changed similarly to their forces on the ground moved away from Kiyv.


Examples are mostly the Russian invading forces that were very spread out in an attempt to reach Kiev through several routes from northern Belarus and north east. The famous and humiliating 60 miles convoy seen in the early days. Got stuck because of the fierce Ukrainian resistance and their quick bridge destruction, then got filmed and exposed , this was reported as a show of comitment by putin's army ,to try and scare the defending Ukraine, and at the same time utilized by Ukrainians to aim their shot with artillery and plan ambush as well as monitoring the ennemy troop position and exposing the existence of the war, at a time when it was still believed by the aggressing side that it could yield a quick win.

There are also cases where Ukrainian soldiers took themselves in selfie before an ambush that got countered because of such selfie. As the war unfolded, and it became no longer possible to deny its existence, so less valuable to film those, Ukrainian soldiers started to publish their videos with delay of some days. Russian soldiers are forbidden to take their smartphone, only special military communication is allowed, journalist that follow soldier and document from their side (openly or not), and a group of Chechen were active.

Then the troops of Russia north of Kiev suffered big losses against Ukrainian army resistance, Chechens groops and some of the best Russian troops like the paratroopers that took Ostomel airport for one day before it was retaken by Ukraine suffered heavy casualties. This lead to less videos from one side, those troops were withdrawn or there would have been surrounded leading to according to estimate around 10 000 to 30 000 prisonners.

During this period there was also fighting in other areas that also involved Ukrainian people that are not part of the army, volunteer, partisan, civilians that didn't want their field ruined or their shop looted, and so on those were documented in videos, this was possible because Russian troops were trying to reach Kiyv through Ukraine in the north east, while in the dombas region, the Ukrainian army prevented any troop advance to have contact with civilians that would produce the images.

From the moment where Russian troops where withdrawn from north and north east diverted away from kiyv and repositionned in the dombas region, the images of civilians became less numerous, the russian occupied city of Kherson saw its protester shot with real bullets, the images of Butcha and Borodianka and Mariupol and other places that i can't properly write became known to civilians, and the battlefront became more static and localized. A situation where the attacking side can't deny it is facing resistance, or that there is a war, or claim it's a liberating a country.

Now the bridges and rail infrastructure of Ukraine are targeted by Russia in an attempt to prevent aid coming from the west to reach the front in the east. There is no more person who believe that "russia doesn't target civilians" or that " it takes long because russian troop try to not destroy things only to remove the nazi" in Ukraine, there are more than 10 000 000 individual that left their home, either to another country or internally displaced mostly woman, old people and very young people. Less people be filming russian troop in their village for fear of being shot right away civilian or not.

A new russian general was appointed to lead the war, he seem to have been appointed to make territorial gain no matter the cost ( if you can't take a city raze it), and not caring about the political justification of the means used ( if you raze a city you can't claim it is liberated ). The political justification of liberation of a country lead to invading troops being totally surrounded by hostile population while being unaware of its hostility due to propaganda, leading to stories like soldiers getting poisonned because they trusted the people they were invading to feed them. This was a thing from the early days of the conflict, now the distances between hostile party are bigger because the aggressing one is more desperate and shoot more often at everything.

This can explain why rationnal people that have less factual informations don't keep posting "new fact", true information is more scarce. The situation on the battleground seem to be a stalemate with no civilians willing to witness it from too close, and few military willing to tell where there are and what they do, since they been doing so for a while and expect to be doing so for a while, that would be giving away your position.

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hackamod wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:47 am
I come here to read this thread because I care what is going on in the world around us, and I like to hear the opinions and views on that subject from people closer to the situation than I am personally.
This is the wrong place for that. You should be reading news outlets (multiple to be sure you’re not getting biased reporting) and maybe even other sites/forums that are designed specifically for these types of discussions. But not here on a game forum.

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FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 11:05 am
This is the wrong place for that. You should be reading news outlets (multiple to be sure you’re not getting biased reporting) and maybe even other sites/forums that are designed specifically for these types of discussions. But not here on a game forum.
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia. Media in Ukraine and Russia are now on the same level of freedom. And all other media get their current information from these two sources. Only the author's investigations of individual journalists can differ in adequacy. But they do not write about current events, but only analyze what happened some time ago.

The only way to understand what's going on is to read news from both sides, not multiple sources from one side.

But this news can be emotionally unpleasant and difficult for some to read, they choose one side as the truth and close themselves from other sources.

People write about what they care about, no one forces you to read this topic (except for your curiosity)
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 11:05 am
This is the wrong place for that. You should be reading news outlets (multiple to be sure you’re not getting biased reporting) and maybe even other sites/forums that are designed specifically for these types of discussions. But not here on a game forum.
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia. Media in Ukraine and Russia are now on the same level of freedom. And all other media get their current information from these two sources. Only the author's investigations of individual journalists can differ in adequacy. But they do not write about current events, but only analyze what happened some time ago.

The only way to understand what's going on is to read news from both sides, not multiple sources from one side.

But this news can be emotionally unpleasant and difficult for some to read, they choose one side as the truth and close themselves from other sources.

People write about what they care about, no one forces you to read this topic (except for your curiosity)
Again, you miss the point. Should I make the text larger?
This is a game forum. Not a news/political forum. This is the wrong place to discuss and stay up to date on anything outside of the game Factorio.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 11:05 am
This is the wrong place for that. You should be reading news outlets (multiple to be sure you’re not getting biased reporting) and maybe even other sites/forums that are designed specifically for these types of discussions. But not here on a game forum.
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia. Media in Ukraine and Russia are now on the same level of freedom. And all other media get their current information from these two sources. Only the author's investigations of individual journalists can differ in adequacy. But they do not write about current events, but only analyze what happened some time ago.

The only way to understand what's going on is to read news from both sides, not multiple sources from one side.

But this news can be emotionally unpleasant and difficult for some to read, they choose one side as the truth and close themselves from other sources.

People write about what they care about, no one forces you to read this topic (except for your curiosity)
Patriotic citizen journalist Mr mix speaks only truth. Truly, there are two sides, and since there are two, they must be given equal consideration and credence. Mr mix, one side. New York times, other side. Why trust your lying eyes over Mr mix and his telegram group?
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Allow me to illustrate Patriotic reasoning by Mr mix with historical example: in second world War, there were two sides: nazis and the rest. A person who wished to be truly informed could therefore not rely on base things such as eye witness accounts, pictures and in person reporting to assess whether the nazis were right, no, he should read the state controlled propaganda by goebbels to be truly informed about the jews. I have to leave now, we are discussing the rising thread of nzism in Israel. Lavrov has some stunning observations --
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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia.
5 countries voted to support Russia, Russia itself, Belarus, Erythrea, Syria and North Korea.

141 countries condemened Russia, list is long, can be found on the website of the UN.

There are also countries who didn't vote, but according to djmix those do not exist, only 2 camp. So you need to read media from one of those 5 countries and media from the rest of the world in the same proportion.

Similar to when 97% scientist think climate change is happening, you also need to read about the 3% that do no think it is happening. It is very important to know their argument, it makes you better informed on the climate. And of course not every scientific is working on climate, but it's to make things as simple as in djmix's mind. let's pretend there is only 2 kind of scientist, those FOR the climate-evolution theory and those AGAINST the climate-evolution theory, and we make a debate.

It is very important also because otherwise those 3% scientist will be very sad and threaten nuclear war and call you nazi and attack their neighbour and cause food insecurity in the world.

Don't look at the military service for life in erythrea making it a country whose emigrants have automatically a political asylum in europe, don't look at the famously free press of north korea, don't look at the military support from Putin to Assad , don't look at the military support from Putin to Lukashenko, those 5 countries that voted to support Russia are just very well informed and honnestly rejecting violence as a mean to solve conflict, which is clearly expressed in their vote at the UN.

Sadly djmix can only read russian and very poorly english, so we don't have cheap copy paste from Syria or Erythrea or North Korea, only from Russia. But since it's the same camp one can imagine that what's written in the media is the same. Those countries lucklily also forbid independant media, which makes it easier to only read Russian media and guess what is the only accepted truth in the other media.

It's too bad in the other camp of those who do not support the russian war of agression there is many different media. It is more difficult to know the truth when people can write an read what they want, or have different opinion in different countries, you need to read a bit of everything and make up your mind, it would be easier if like in russia the person who say unauthorized thing could be put to jail for 15 years, this way it would take less time to find the truth amongst all this propaganda. Better would be if people ask their government before speaking, or even better only express themselves publicly when asked by their government to tell things their government prepared for them to say and otherwise don't express themselves at all you know like they do in north korea.

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mmmPI wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:57 pm
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia.
5 countries voted to support Russia, Russia itself, Belarus, Erythrea, Syria and North Korea.

141 countries condemened Russia, list is long, can be found on the website of the UN.
Well, write, how many countries have confirmed their words with action and imposed sanctions against Russia?
Ukrainian and Russian propaganda also says a lot, but in reality everything is not so joyful.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:11 pm
mmmPI wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 3:57 pm
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia.
5 countries voted to support Russia, Russia itself, Belarus, Erythrea, Syria and North Korea.

141 countries condemened Russia, list is long, can be found on the website of the UN.
Well, write, how many countries have confirmed their words with action and imposed sanctions against Russia?
Ukrainian and Russian propaganda also says a lot, but in reality everything is not so joyful.
No one can know the reality, remember, there is propaganda everywhere and it is impossible to know the reality
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Fri Mar 04, 2022 5:46 pm
It's sad, but you're right. Now no one has the truth. You can only see it with your own eyes.

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FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:57 pm
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 11:05 am
This is the wrong place for that. You should be reading news outlets (multiple to be sure you’re not getting biased reporting) and maybe even other sites/forums that are designed specifically for these types of discussions. But not here on a game forum.
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia. Media in Ukraine and Russia are now on the same level of freedom. And all other media get their current information from these two sources. Only the author's investigations of individual journalists can differ in adequacy. But they do not write about current events, but only analyze what happened some time ago.

The only way to understand what's going on is to read news from both sides, not multiple sources from one side.

But this news can be emotionally unpleasant and difficult for some to read, they choose one side as the truth and close themselves from other sources.

People write about what they care about, no one forces you to read this topic (except for your curiosity)
Again, you miss the point. Should I make the text larger?
This is a game forum. Not a news/political forum. This is the wrong place to discuss and stay up to date on anything outside of the game Factorio.
Can you get even bigger size? And at the same time look on the Internet for the difference between a forum and a forum topic. If you don't want to, don't read. There are many other threads on this forum.

It is need to add a message before opening the topic. Reading this topic can lead to psychosis, as the content here does not correspond to Ukrainian propaganda.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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mmmPI wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:14 pm
No one can know the reality, remember, there is propaganda everywhere and it is impossible to know the reality
oh, but didn't you hear? even when observing things with your own eyes, you have been tainted by prior brainwashing to take it in the wrong context! so even when observing reality, we are never certain. this is the Soviet Uncertainty Principle.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:15 pm
FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:57 pm
Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 2:44 pm
FuryoftheStars wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 11:05 am
This is the wrong place for that. You should be reading news outlets (multiple to be sure you’re not getting biased reporting) and maybe even other sites/forums that are designed specifically for these types of discussions. But not here on a game forum.
The whole world is divided into two camps. Those who support Ukraine and those who support Russia. Media in Ukraine and Russia are now on the same level of freedom. And all other media get their current information from these two sources. Only the author's investigations of individual journalists can differ in adequacy. But they do not write about current events, but only analyze what happened some time ago.

The only way to understand what's going on is to read news from both sides, not multiple sources from one side.

But this news can be emotionally unpleasant and difficult for some to read, they choose one side as the truth and close themselves from other sources.

People write about what they care about, no one forces you to read this topic (except for your curiosity)
Again, you miss the point. Should I make the text larger?
This is a game forum. Not a news/political forum. This is the wrong place to discuss and stay up to date on anything outside of the game Factorio.
Can you get even bigger size? And at the same time look on the Internet for the difference between a forum and a forum topic. If you don't want to, don't read. There are many other threads on this forum.

It is need to add a message before opening the topic. Reading this topic can lead to psychosis, as the content here does not correspond to Ukrainian propaganda.
He is right though, i think your suggestion is ridiculous, it doesn't lead to psychosis, except for you the last time you used the same font 3 time in a row saying i was doing a smear campaign against you when i was just poiting out the fact that you posted only comment on this specific forum thread, and nowhere else in the forum

you posted video that call for murder too, why did you do that djmixx ?

why did you say you were posting to receive money ?

why did you say you were posting information in the first place ?

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mmmPI wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:14 pm
I understand why you left the answer, the numbers are not so beautiful.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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Djmixxx wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:21 pm
mmmPI wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:14 pm
I understand why you left the answer, the numbers are not so beautiful.
I posted them on the forum last time and you responded 3 days later with a copy paste of a list of 5 point mocking Zelensky

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Here is a reminder for Djmix :
look at the link at the bottom of the commentary maybe missed it last time
mmmPI wrote:
Sun Apr 24, 2022 10:50 pm
You didn't understand that when the UN or ICJ say things it's not Ukrainian news :
mmmPI wrote:
Sat Apr 23, 2022 4:08 pm
Let's have a look at the United Nation informations :
International Court orders Russia to ‘immediately suspend’ military operations in Ukraine

https://news.un.org/en/story/2022/03/1114052
Russia must immediately suspend military operations in Ukraine, the UN International Court of Justice (ICJ) ruled on Wednesday, in The Hague.
By a vote of 13 to two, with Vice-President Kirill Gevorgian of Russia and Judge Xue Hanqin of China dissenting, the ICJ ruled that Russia “shall immediately suspend the military operations that it commenced on 24 February.”

The court’s ruling – the first such verdict handed down by the ‘world court’ since the Russian invasion began – is in response to a suit filed by Ukraine on 27 February, accusing Russia of manipulating the concept of genocide to justify its military aggression.

Although the ICJ's verdicts are binding, news reports questioned whether Moscow would abide by the ruling, and the court has no direct means of enforcing them.

In a tweet shortly after the ruling, UN Secretary-General António Guterres said that the majority decision "fully reinforces my repeated appeals for peace."
Last time i checked António Guterres was not Ukrainian and was expressing a point of view that is not his own personnal but the one of the United Nation.

Also 15 person voted, including 1 russian judge and 0 Ukrainian judge. Still it's the Russian side that doen't recognize the decision why ?

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Most likely avoided by troll djmixxx :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legality_ ... of_Ukraine

Legality of the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
Self-defense justification

Russia has argued that its use of force against Ukraine is lawful under Article 51 of the UN Charter, which preserves the rights of UN member states to defend themselves against "an armed attack" and to engage in "collective self-defense." Specifically, Russia has claimed that it may use force against Ukraine in order to defend the Donetsk People's Republic and the Luhansk People's Republic, which Russia recognizes as independent states. International law and foreign policy experts such as John B. Bellinger III, Gabriella Blum, Naz Modirzadeh, and Anthony Dworkin have criticized this argument.[2][4][6]

Bellinger and Dworkin have argued that Russia cannot rely on a self-defense justification because Ukraine has not threatened or attacked any other nation.[2][6] All four scholars have also suggested that even if Ukraine were planning an attack against Donetsk or Luhansk, Russia could not invoke Article 51's collective self-defense provision because these regions are not recognized as separate states under international law.[2][4][6] Allen Weiner of Stanford Law School has made a similar argument, likening Russia's collective self-defense arguments to a hypothetical situation where a modern entity calling itself the independent "Republic of Texas" invited a foreign government to send troops to fight against the United States.[5] (For a Texian invite against Mexico, see the 1836 To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World.)


Genocide/humanitarian intervention justification


See also: Ukraine v. Russian Federation (2022)

Likewise, experts have rejected Russia's argument that its invasion is justified on humanitarian grounds to protect Russian-speakers in eastern Ukraine, namely the Donbass. Some commentators have questioned whether international law (including the UN Charter and the Genocide Convention) even allows nations to use force against another country to remedy genocide or human rights violations, as the legality of humanitarian intervention is heavily disputed.[2][5] In any event, Russia's humanitarian justifications for the invasion are widely perceived as a pretext, and are unsubstantiated by any evidence that Ukraine has committed, or is committing any acts against Russians in Donetsk and Luhansk that could amount to genocide.[36]

This is way beyond your ridiculous argument "there is the Russia side and the Ukraine side". Even China and India sent humanitarian aid to Ukraine. Why they got tricked by Ukraine lies ? And Brazil ? and Kazakstan ? or Pakistan ?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_f ... ainian_War

Remember you said there was no war :
Djmixxx wrote:
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I will surprise you, there is no war in Ukraine. If you don't believe me, please find the message about the declaration of war.
And this is the problem of Ukraine, in order received normal help , she must declare war on Russia, but then Ukraine will be the aggressor.
i wonder who is lying djmixxx or the UN and the ICJ and 141 representatives of different countries, or all the countries that send help.

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mmmPI wrote:
Tue May 03, 2022 4:18 pm

you posted video that call for murder too, why did you do that djmixx ?

why did you say you were posting to receive money ?

why did you say you were posting information in the first place ?
Don't you write like that? I thought it would be clearer to you if I write in your manner of communication. I even had to learn from you to insert such a large font.
I think your are confusing my opinion with the truth.

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