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I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by warzouz » Wed Feb 27, 2019 8:34 am

Hi,

I just swapped to 0.17 and loaded my old 0.16 base. It's a quite nice base with 130 trains and over 670 rocket launches.

But my surprise came from my defenses being overrun in seconds. I was a simple double wall with nearly continuous laser turrets line which provided sufficient defense until 0.17.

Las turret are +300% damage ans +230% speed but are wrecked very quickly.

Did you feel increase in pests power ?

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Post by Zavian » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:38 am

https://factorio.com/blog/post/fff-283

Also (quoting the release notes).
FactorioBot wrote:
Tue Feb 26, 2019 5:13 pm
This is the first experimental release after a year and 3 months. We tested it and found it to be quite fine, but there most probably are dangerous bugs hidden, so backup your saves and be careful.

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by xfir01 » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:45 am

viewtopic.php?f=16&t=65157

You've probably lost a lot of laser damage from the change to research.

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by BenSeidel » Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:50 am

My guess would be that it's the biter spawners not absorbing infinite pollution. Can you have a look at the pollution spread 0.16 vs 0.17? I think that in 0.17 it will be much much further.

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by barbary » Wed Feb 27, 2019 10:32 am

xfir01 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:45 am
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=65157

You've probably lost a lot of laser damage from the change to research.
I am desperately trying to find confirmation on this. I have Laser Turret 23 please tell me I haven't lost all this research?

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by Tricorius » Wed Feb 27, 2019 11:20 am

The bugs are more aggressive and deadly.

I nearly died in a new default settings Death World. And that hasn’t happened in a long time.

I like it. But yeah, the changes are going to be a bit rough I think.

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Post by warzouz » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:04 pm

Well, I started my game in 0.14 (I think) in a "train setting" (no expansion). I remembered that in 0.14 and 0.15, I was nearly NEVER attacked (I even stop putting walls and turrets.

Then in 0.16 expansion reset and I needed some wall and I overlaid some laser turrets. 10 repair bots with 50 packs were enough to repair attacks.

On the other hand, improved bitter attack is kind of nice, but the settings are quite hard to manage for new players. There should be a very simple "biter attack power"

The issue may come from an old save brought to 0.17. The wave of bitter is enormous

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by warzouz » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:14 pm

xfir01 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:45 am
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=65157

You've probably lost a lot of laser damage from the change to research.
Ah, you were right, I was at +580% damage in 0.16. I'll try to improve my defenses. before migrating to 0.17.

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by warzouz » Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:49 pm

warzouz wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:04 pm
Well, I started my game in 0.14 (I think) in a "train setting" (no expansion). I remembered that in 0.14 and 0.15, I was nearly NEVER attacked (I even stop putting walls and turrets.

Then in 0.16 expansion reset and I needed some wall and I overlaid some laser turrets. 10 repair bots with 50 packs were enough to repair attacks.

On the other hand, improved bitter attack is kind of nice, but the settings are quite hard to manage for new players. There should be a very simple "biter attack power"

The issue may come from an old save brought to 0.17. The wave of bitter is enormous

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Quoting myself, when replaying 0.16, there are the same pack of bitters. But those don't attack in one block, the stall not far from the wall and attack in smaller groups.

Those acid attacks are deadly too. turrets falls like flies. I'm improving the defenses, taking electics far behing, increasing wall thickness and setting double row of turrets. I'll also add a station for importing new repair materials, roboports and drone to carry them around.

My walls are very very long

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by barbary » Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:43 pm

warzouz wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 1:14 pm
xfir01 wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 9:45 am
viewtopic.php?f=16&t=65157

You've probably lost a lot of laser damage from the change to research.
Ah, you were right, I was at +580% damage in 0.16. I'll try to improve my defenses. before migrating to 0.17.
When you say he was right? In what way? Did you lose all your infinite research?

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Re: I had a 450hours base (0.17)

Post by warzouz » Wed Feb 27, 2019 3:19 pm

barbary wrote:
Wed Feb 27, 2019 2:43 pm
When you say he was right? In what way? Did you lose all your infinite research?
My las turret power when from +580% to +300%, I've to redo some science, by my science factory has to be redone.
Combined with the new acid attack and the "go all in" of the bitters, my defenses didn't work.

I've doubled or tripled the defenses and it work nicely.


In the end I don't know if I'll continue my map because
- That's not the intent of the devs for us to test stuff
- Many recepee changed, especially science I've to rebuild a lot.

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Post by osric_athanasius » Fri Mar 01, 2019 10:01 am

I have had a 191 hr Base that is not quite up to mega yet. However, I had put some serious effort into defense at one point during 0.16. Then I realized that I had over built my Rail wall defenses and started scaling them back a bit.

Now in 0.17, my defenses are holding 99% of the time. I have had a few breaches mostly when a critical connection failed (piping or power). I am still working on getting my new science setups working before I worry about defense improvements.

Attached a save if anyone is interested. It is mostly development focused base. So it is messy.

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