Please, DO NOT remove space casino

[Rinin]

And the timing couldn't be worse. Finishing the development with a huge disappointment for a large part of the community, refusing to even address it in writing, and then doubling down to make it even worse.

How will I remember Factorio? As a game that I played for over a thousand hours, or as a game that gave me a huge middle finger in the end for no reason?

Time will tell.

[sarge945]

Are people seriously saying that this game, which is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the most free and open sandbox games on the market, isn't a sandbox game because they can't do one specific thing?

You also can't fly in Minecraft by default.

Sandbox games have limits. It's part of their design. Doing literally anything is not how sandbox games work. They give you a set of tools and systems and let you go wild with them, but they don't let you do literally everything.

[mmmPI]

You can use asteroid productivity research, with the 20% asteroid output in the normal crushing recipes. With enough research, you reach the same 80% output...

It would actually seem that this isn't the case anymore, but it wasn't announced in the FFF, rather in the patch notes for the actual release. That is disappointing to me

I don't know how you'd balance Quality either, but I definitely don't know if WUBE intended for it to be this bad. Uncommon and Rare are great, fully worthwhile across the board to upgrade to either for Science production. Epic is a net negative, Legendary is a black-hole that doesn't pay out. I'm happy I did it overall but only so that now I can say I did it personally and can warn others away from doing it for anything other than bragging rights.

I would certainly not have removed what wass enjoyed by players as an option for space platform to just leave LDS shuffle. I felt it was balanced. I think it's easy and boring to just set up fulgora to recycle everything above like 4000 in a giant bot network, put some quality module in the recyclers and drill and you'll end up swimming in epic by the time you reach Aquillo, and legendary will appear as soon as you unlock it. It has nothing to do with bragging right, on the contrary, the slower you do on the planet after fulgora, the more time for quality to stockpile lol.

Thanks for the tip! The main reason I didn't do agriculture is because after metallurgic, my UPS dropped to an unplayable level (where I have problem to position buildings precisely on Gleba), with promethium off.

I tried keep producing Gleba science and legendary-ing them. It didn't work because while recycling used to reset science usage, it never resets science spoilage. If you recycle science they just turn into almost entirely spoiled legendary science barely worth a fresh normal that you couldn't automatically ship away in 2.0, because it's unrealistic to get 1000 legendary before any spoils. And I ended up doing "turn-off-when-not-needed" Gleba instead. In 2.1 it could be a different story with mixed-content rockets and space logistics. Maybe it will make sense to upcycle mixed-quality surplus bioflux in space with blue chips and robot frames shipped from Vulcanus.

you could ship them away if you accepted "minimum" payload of 10 or so legendary 100 epic, 1000 rare, or something to match production ratio but yeah the spoilage time isn't refreshed, though it is longer on quality science that's part of the idea, if you want to "extend" the duration of science pack produced "when not needed" so you have "more science per minutes available" the moment when you do need them, you can upgrade the quality of the science pack that would have gone to waste otherwise. ( if you ship them by 4000 in normal time, when you don't use them, quantity reach above 4000, then you can start quality upcycle , when you restart science , for a while you have more than the usual 4000, since some of them are "quality" since packs weren't consumed for a while and you just "resume" agricultural research)

It is far fetched , yeah, but quality science also is, i"m not sure it really makes sense, rather it's there ^^

Are people seriously saying that this game, which is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the most free and open sandbox games on the market, isn't a sandbox game because they can't do one specific thing?

lol no you can read for yourself what people are arguing, this way you can adress what they say instead of the simplistic imaginary reformulation you came up with.

[quineotio]

Are people seriously saying that this game, which is UNDOUBTEDLY one of the most free and open sandbox games on the market, isn't a sandbox game because they can't do one specific thing?

It's not a binary. Wube have made a series of choices to mandate particular ways of playing which has made SA is far less open of a sandbox than it could be, and removing space casinos is a further step in the direction of reducing choice. There is now one less toy to play with in the sandbox.

[NineNine]

...There is now one less toy to play with in the sandbox.

I hope that most of the people in this conversation are small children, otherwise, it's a group of adults having a temper tantrum about how the grown-ups removed one of their toys from their sandbox, and now they're very, very mad! In fact, they're so mad, that they might just stop playing in this sandbox and go home! Oh, no!

[mmmPI]

I hope that most of the people in this conversation are small children, otherwise, it's a group of adults having a temper tantrum about how the grown-ups removed one of their toys from their sandbox, and now they're very, very mad! In fact, they're so mad, that they might just stop playing in this sandbox and go home! Oh, no!

Dude you don't have to act like a children yourself, calling other immature doesn't make your behavior much better in comparaison, your argument is what ? you don't care yourelf nor about what the other feels, ok that's fine that an argument that isn't very persuasize and quite frankly pretty childish too. If you are not able to understand and follow a discussion that show different persons expressing different opinions, and you need a simplistic reformulation so you can adress it, how does that make you sound ?

There is no objective good reason to be happy in your message, or is it just that you like to remove toys to kids ? you think video games are so serious kids shouldn't toy with them ? isn't toyin with stuff the reason people , mostly children buys videogame ? Are you considering yourself some kind of very serious adult gamer ? tell me more about that concept x) Are you going to be much more happy now that you can't do space casino ? how is game made better ? why do you need someone else to remove them from the game entirely to be happy instead of not using them ?

I mean surely you have some interest in the topic and you could voice them with more elegance than the previous derp-level rant right ?

[Tertius]

I hope that most of the people in this conversation are small children

I hope too, because children are throwing a tantrum, Gen Z will raise a shitstorm on social media, Gen Y will resign in frustration, and baby boomers will throw a Molotow cocktail.

[I'm a baby boomer, so be careful with your answer]

[mmmPI]

I hope that most of the people in this conversation are small children

I hope too, because children are throwing a tantrum, Gen Z will raise a shitstorm on social media, Gen Y will resign in frustration, and baby boomers will throw a Molotow cocktail.

[I'm a baby boomer, so be careful with your answer]

I don't think age classification are very valuable, people can participate in discussion without providing anything useful on them at any age it would seem given your answer. You have not let one word of it be about the current topic , only a personnal inflammatory framing with overgeneralization you are not congratulated for this participation mr boomer, you most likely need to adapt and try to let those habits of the past leaves you, i suggest instead you try to express your feelings on the topic that was opened which is the feeling you may have about the space casino

I mean i'm starting to get the displeasing impression that argument about the actual topic are weak and it's easier to try and insult the people who disagree rather than argue with rationnal explanation. What makes you so happy there ? why didn't you just avoid space casino on your own before ? does the actual change have already had time to let you enjoy the new balance like those people who posted on reddit ? That's sure fast to have an idea of the balance for me, but i expect in the soon future better arguments based on facts can enlight this discussion a bit more no ?

[Tertius]

I don't think age classification are very valuable

Don't take it all so seriously. This is a game. You're very tense, so I'd like to lighten the mood a little.
This thread is 8 pages long, everything has been said already, including my own comments, view, and ruling. It seems you didn't read the thread but just jumped in a bit late and ignored everything that has been said.

[mmmPI]

I don't think age classification are very valuable

Don't take it all so seriously. This is a game. You're very tense, so I'd like to lighten the mood a little.
This thread is 8 pages long, everything has been said already, including my own comments, view, and ruling. It seems you didn't read the thread but just jumped in a bit late and ignored everything that has been said.

I don't think you are quite qualified to guess when someone is tense x) and i can surely appreciate your alledge effort to lighten the mood, however, i suggested already what you could have done to brighten in, (imo) and i can only see that it wasn't really well understood as yet again not a word of your answer is about the actual topic of the space casino, i feel it"s quite unfortunate that you then jump to baseless accusations, i did carefully read the full thread , and it's dishonnest especially to the first few pages to resume it or infer negative immaturity to people who partipicated, especially when i read what you or Ninenine are adding at this stage compared to the tones of the first few pages.

Currently we are at a stage where people can actually express opinions based on the newly release version, have you had time to reach space yet ? do yo have something "new and valuable" to add ? Are you already happy space casino are removed ? I can tell you i haven't reached that stage yet in a new game, but in a separate editor worlds i tried a bit having fun with the asteroids and realized it wasn't like in the FFF, so i read the patch notes in details and realized that NOT ONLY are the module removed for reprocessing, which to me makes sense, but also , the % of productivity in the normal processing was removed, now the research only acts on the processed part and not the catalyst. Surely this is new information from the rest of the thread, surely there are more interesting to read about new players using it than what i just read from people trying to act mature on a video-game forum lol

[Tertius]

I simply went forward to refine and extend my existing upcycling facility I built instead of a space casino. For 2.1, I built an updated concrete recycling, and currently I'm in the process of adding LDS shuffle since it wasn't nerfed. Continuing with any form of space casino (dealing with asteroid chunks) is not what I'm currently considering.