[1.0.0] Offensive Automatic Train Name

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[1.0.0] Offensive Automatic Train Name

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The auto-generated train station name list has an offensive name in it: "RETARDEDHAIR". First time I've seen it in 6 years of playing, but it was a very unwelcome surprise. I've included a screenshot of the station.
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I'll move this to suggestions.

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Sigh.

This being "offensive" is completely subjective.

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See also :
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If people spent less time getting offended by everything and anything, I'm sure they'd be a lot happier.
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Koub wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm
If people spent less time getting offended by everything and anything, I'm sure they'd be a lot happier.
Spoken like someone in a truly privileged position.
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Deadlock989 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:25 pm
Koub wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm
If people spent less time getting offended by everything and anything, I'm sure they'd be a lot happier.
Spoken like someone in a truly privileged position.
Admittedly privileged, and grateful to be so.
I used to get offended on some topics when I was younger. Now that I have stopped giving a fuck, I don't think I've gotten more privileged, but I'm way happier.
I have the impression that, on the contrary, the more privileged, the more people get easily offended. People who struggle to survive have other priorities than being offended I think.
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Koub wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm
I have the impression that, on the contrary, the more privileged, the more people get easily offended. People who struggle to survive have other priorities than being offended I think.
I think that's total bollocks personally. I think people who tell other people it's their fault if they're offended by slurs and insults like "mong", "faggot" and "nigger" are little more than playground bullies. Telling them they could be happier if they didn't take the abuse personally is even worse. "Can't you take a joke?" is the eternal call of the bully.

"Retarded" is a foul word in my local variety of English. It seems less taboo in the States, but, they use the word "handicapped" which became less acceptable here as far back as the 1970-80s. Still, what do you expect from a country run by people who openly espouse fascism.
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Koub wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm
Deadlock989 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:25 pm
Koub wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:17 pm
If people spent less time getting offended by everything and anything, I'm sure they'd be a lot happier.
Spoken like someone in a truly privileged position.
Admittedly privileged, and grateful to be so.
I used to get offended on some topics when I was younger. Now that I have stopped giving a fuck, I don't think I've gotten more privileged, but I'm way happier.
I have the impression that, on the contrary, the more privileged, the more people get easily offended. People who struggle to survive have other priorities than being offended I think.
The more privileged people are, the more free they are to express their offense. Everyone else just has to suck it up in silence.

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Let us not forget that this is the name of a train stop in a video game.

This wasn't aimed at anyone.
This isn't schoolyard bullying.
This isn't those "fascists" in the states.

This was the name provided by someone that paid money out of their own pocket to support a game we all love.

The word in question has many uses that are objectively NOT offensive.

Currently we're going back and forth about slow hair. This is why people get uneasy about all the "offense" taken. It goes from genuinely trying to help someone, or avoid real pain to quibbling about nonsense. Slippery slope indeed.

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invisus wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:52 pm
Currently we're going back and forth about slow hair.
You know perfectly well that's almost certainly not what was meant. The way people can rationalise this shit away is the reason it's a problem.

Randomly calling train stations in a computer game "Retarded" anything is no better than randomly calling them "Gollywog" or "Arse Bandit".

Educate yourself.

https://www.verywellfamily.com/what-is- ... rd-3105651

I fully expect this thread will be locked soon, because obviously taking the piss out of people with disabilities is less important than the handful of dollars someone stumped up seven years ago.
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Deadlock989 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:58 pm
You know perfectly well that's almost certainly not what was meant.
No actually, I don't know that and neither do you - definitely maybe.
Deadlock989 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:58 pm
The way people can rationalise this shit away is the reason it's a problem.
...
Educate yourself.
As far as my education goes, I have friends and family with mental issues. Some of them find the overreaction to these things on their behalf to be more damaging and insulting than the actual "offensive" word. I'm simply going off what I've been told by those close to me that are afflicted with such real problems.

I would submit that someone willing to _actually_ sling insults at someone who is merely trying to discuss it is more of an issue.

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invisus wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:52 pm
Let us not forget that this is the name of a train stop in a video game.
+1

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invisus wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:41 am

As far as my education goes, I have friends and family with mental issues. Some of them find the overreaction to these things on their behalf to be more damaging and insulting than the actual "offensive" word. I'm simply going off what I've been told by those close to me that are afflicted with such real problems.

I would submit that someone willing to _actually_ sling insults at someone who is merely trying to discuss it is more of an issue.
Were any of them beaten or spit on by people yelling "Retard!" at them? Not difficult to find instances of these things where the results ended up being newsworthy (death, serious injury). Tip of the iceberg there, but it's not unusual for people who have been subjected to such abuse to just quietly leave a room where the term is being slung around and not even directly at them. I think a solo video game about building factories ought to be a place where they can relax and not expect the game to throw it at them.

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invisus wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 16, 2021 12:41 am
As far as my education goes, I have friends and family with mental issues. Some of them find the overreaction to these things on their behalf to be more damaging and insulting than the actual "offensive" word. I'm simply going off what I've been told by those close to me that are afflicted with such real problems.
I've personally found that this tends to be the case with most things. Take "native American" vs. "Indian" as an example, or "dwarf" vs. "midget" vs. "little person". Those offended on others behalves often make poor judgements of offensiveness.

Deadlock989 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:56 pm
Koub wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:49 pm
I have the impression that, on the contrary, the more privileged, the more people get easily offended. People who struggle to survive have other priorities than being offended I think.
I think people who tell other people it's their fault if they're offended by slurs and insults [...] are little more than playground bullies. Telling them they could be happier if they didn't take the abuse personally is even worse. "Can't you take a joke?" is the eternal call of the bully.
1. Koub never put blame on those offended, only spoke about probabilities. He might have not even been talking in the specific context of insults.
2. Koub was not insulting you, so there is no reason for you to believe him a bully. No one insulted you. Koub points out that if you didn't make an insult out of something not clearly meant to be one, then maybe you wouldn't be so upset.

invisus wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 11:52 pm
This wasn't aimed at anyone.
This isn't schoolyard bullying.
This isn't those "fascists" in the states.
Generally this idea.




I don't think that it is up to us to decide whether or not this should be removed. It does feel out of place, but it is up to the devs to decide what they value more.
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extremely large danger of closing this thread!

No problem will be solved by continuing this kind of discussion. Please continue somewhere else (I think at least not in this board).

My personal opinion: to introduce the stackers names was the stupidest idea the devs made. Yes, they needed the money and they promised it, but I have no problem to say: now it’s good, we had that in for a while (6 years or so) and we make now names, which are more cool.
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ssilk wrote: ↑
Sat Jan 16, 2021 8:29 am
stupidest
Joke opprotunuty!
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Deadlock989 wrote: ↑
Fri Jan 15, 2021 10:56 pm
"Retarded" is a foul word in my local variety of English. It seems less taboo in the States[...]
I'm from the US. It's offensive there also.

The devs already made a pass long ago to remove offensive names. It seems this one was simply overlooked.

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talking about educating oneself => https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25264521/
https://www.beautyglimpse.com/do-you-kn ... r-read-on/

personnaly i found myself in an economically-challenged position and find the work "broke" and "poor" offensive.

Could you please stop using those words ?

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Thank you for some context.

The trouble is that in a train stop name, there isn't any context.

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I agree that devs should may want to forbid some known words in backer names. Not because they are offensive, just because it's a game for all ages and children may play it.

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