Bugs & FAQ

[Sworn]

As far I remember the algenl's mods have always had a Youki compatibility. But one thing that has not been adjusted after the new science mechanics.
When using the new sciences along with the Yuoki Engines (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/yi_engines), the recipes that use science pack are not modified for some reasons, making it impossible to get some itens from it.

For example the item "Emulsion Mixer" or some recipes for the farm, not really sure if its a angels issue, just pointing that out.

[micromario]

I was unable to start the mod until I changed line 1045 in angels-functions.lua from

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recipe.order = recipe.order .. (data.raw.fluid[fluid_name] or data.raw.item[fluid_name]).order or "z"

to

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recipe.order = recipe.order .. ((data.raw.fluid[fluid_name] or data.raw.item[fluid_name]).order or "z")

Hello is it possible for someone to look into this report. It's a very simple fix but it is causing angel's refining to break with my specific mods list

[lovely_santa]

Repair pack 4 & 5 should require blue science science they need green circuits.

Edit: another one: Nitroglycerin requires Chlorine Processing 2; I believe it should be Sulfur Processing 2.

Repair packs is something from bobs only with no angel intervention.. So you need to report that to bobs mods?

For the Nitroglycerin , I just checked in the dev branch (as I did quite a bit of work to it already for the next release). As of now, nitroglycerin requires:

• glycerol gas, hence the dependency on Clorine Processing 2
• sulfuric acid, hence the dependency on Sulfur Processing 2
• Nitric acid, hence the dependency on Nitrogen Processing 2
• Military science, hence the dependency on Military science pack

It has a redundant dependency on oil refining, that will do no harm. And yes, it takes nitric and sulfuric acid directly now!

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Currently it looks that there is way to produce hydrofluoric acid from hydrogen fluorite gas. But not another way around.
Also tungesten process eat lot of hydrogen fluorite gas and produce fluorite. But there is no way to change fluorite (or acid) back to gas so I think there is missing chemical process. Current situation force to push acid to void and produce new gas with buffers.

I also fixed this as it was reported in discord. I added a conversion recipe to turn the liquid into the gas version for the next release.

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One more bug. Deuterium fuel cell production allow add productivity module. That will produce lead from thin air when used fuel cells are resycled.

That sounds like you're not playing with angels industries, as deuterium requires zinc plates and do not return any lead. All angel recycling recipes return slag instead for this specific reason. Also I just checked and you're not able to put productivity modules inside deuterium fuel generation. Maybe upload a save file if it persists after the update of tomorrow.

1) Components do return all materials, or they should at least. Any particular example where this is not the case?

1) start marathon (both checkboes checked) with component mining
2) place miner
3) pickup miner
4) unable to craft, you got only 1/2 materials (furnace works fine...)

2) Marathon settings do work, not everything supports marathon mode yet, like components, ... but the main parts of angels do. Anything in particular that stands out that is not supporting it?

burning miner cost still doubled with 1/1/1/1 sttings

Marathon mode has not been tested yet with component overhaul, we still have bigger issues with the return products other than not returning enough of them.

As far I remember the algenl's mods have always had a Youki compatibility. But one thing that has not been adjusted after the new science mechanics.
When using the new sciences along with the Yuoki Engines (https://mods.factorio.com/mod/yi_engines), the recipes that use science pack are not modified for some reasons, making it impossible to get some itens from it.

For example the item "Emulsion Mixer" or some recipes for the farm, not really sure if its a angels issue, just pointing that out.

Yes angels had and still has compatibility with Yuoki. However the component/tech mode is still in development and doesn't even have custom support for bobs mods yet. It's just a general replacement script at this point, while we fine tune and evaluate the existing recipes so far.

[alercah]

I can't believe this has gone unnoticed till now: the icons for crotinnium and silicon ores are identical!

[Xplodonator]

Hi.
I have a funny little problem. I started to mod my Factorio.
Namely
all of Bob's mods
Natural Evolution
Rampant

and some small tidbits. All is fine and nice. But as soon as I add Angels Refining.. it starts in the "New Game" menu, where Enemy Expansion, Evolution
and Pollution are unchecked. Regardless wether I check them or not, when I start the game, I have zero biters. Nowhere.

I tested multiple times, cranked up the numbers/density and minimized Starting Area. Biters galore. After adding Angels mods.. no biters at all.

Would somebody be able to help? I reeeeeally don't wanna play without Angels mods :/

[valneq]

Hi.
I have a funny little problem. I started to mod my Factorio.
Namely
all of Bob's mods
Natural Evolution
Rampant

and some small tidbits. All is fine and nice. But as soon as I add Angels Refining.. it starts in the "New Game" menu, where Enemy Expansion, Evolution
and Pollution are unchecked. Regardless wether I check them or not, when I start the game, I have zero biters. Nowhere.

I tested multiple times, cranked up the numbers/density and minimized Starting Area. Biters galore. After adding Angels mods.. no biters at all.

Would somebody be able to help? I reeeeeally don't wanna play without Angels mods :/

This is intended with the most recent release as of today. The changelog to Angel's Refining (version 0.11.14) reads:

[…]
- Biter balance: (291)
- Biters are by default disabled when playing without angels exploration. There is a setting
in case you want to re-enable biters anyway. For optimizations, pollution cloud and biter
evolution is turned off in this case.
- Increased starting area size
[…]

TL;DR: Go into mods settings for Angel's Refining and "Enable Alien Enemies" before starting a new map.

[edit:] Are you sure you want to play with Angel's, Natural Evolution, and Rampant? The biters might become waaay too strong for you to ever make it to the rocket. If you really do: don't be frustated when they totally overwhelm you in your first couple of attempts – and instead please try out weaker biter settings. After all, there is a reason why Angel's Refining now switched to no biters by default.

[Xplodonator]

This is intended with the most recent release as of today. The changelog to Angel's Refining (version 0.11.14) reads:

Oh. Thanks for that piece of info xD

Are you sure you want to play with Angel's, Natural Evolution, and Rampant? The biters might become waaay too strong (... )

Well, last time I played, Rampant+NE was the way to go. Besides, I don't really get the change. Biters are disabled, and even if you enable them, pollution and evolution are disabled? Why's that? Then again, all seems to be cool if you add Angel's Exploration? My guess would be the exponential pollution as you need 2-3x the Processing-plants for ores, but is my guess right?

To add on to that, I already added a bit of weaponry. Bob's warfare and also Modular Turrets. Eyeballing with AAI, but made no decision yet. Do these additions change anything regarding the difficulty?

Sorry if my questions are numerable and maybe stupid. But it's kinda late here, and even typing this text needs my full concentration xD

And thanks a lot for your fast answer!

[lovely_santa]

This is intended with the most recent release as of today. The changelog to Angel's Refining (version 0.11.14) reads:

Oh. Thanks for that piece of info xD

Are you sure you want to play with Angel's, Natural Evolution, and Rampant? The biters might become waaay too strong (... )

Well, last time I played, Rampant+NE was the way to go. Besides, I don't really get the change. Biters are disabled, and even if you enable them, pollution and evolution are disabled? Why's that? Then again, all seems to be cool if you add Angel's Exploration? My guess would be the exponential pollution as you need 2-3x the Processing-plants for ores, but is my guess right?

To add on to that, I already added a bit of weaponry. Bob's warfare and also Modular Turrets. Eyeballing with AAI, but made no decision yet. Do these additions change anything regarding the difficulty?

Sorry if my questions are numerable and maybe stupid. But it's kinda late here, and even typing this text needs my full concentration xD

And thanks a lot for your fast answer!

If you play with those mods, I really suggest playing with angels exploration as well. In that case angels mods do turn biters back on as well!
And to answer your question, angels explorations balances the biter/evolution settings as well (see changelog of exploration). I have no idea how well this scales with Rampant tho. Some things will definitely have a positive impact no matter what.

[kirazy]

Given that the player can choose to turn biters off on map creation, and control the settings for pollution and evolution there as well, it seems very bizarre that you would turn it off and require going into mod settings to re-enable biters, and then force pollution/evolution off even if biters are enabled.

I'd strongly reconsider the decision to do this. This removes player agency over a reasonably core aspect of map creation.

Edit: I feel like a better way to accomplish what you're trying to do is to tweak the default values for map creation rather than hide/disable them. Not sure how feasible that is, not my area of expertise.

[alercah]

Perhaps print a warning at game start indicating that default biter settings are not recommended?

(I personally didn't have too much trouble with biters in my most recent AB game, without exploration, but I had a good starting area, and once I got plasma turrets and artillery there have been no issues even with evolution creeping up to 0.8, except perhaps for the high demand artillery puts on my steel and plastic supplies.)

[lovely_santa]

Given that the player can choose to turn biters off on map creation, and control the settings for pollution and evolution there as well, it seems very bizarre that you would turn it off and require going into mod settings to re-enable biters, and then force pollution/evolution off even if biters are enabled.

We originally just wanted to disable the checkbox (just like we did for the biter expansion and pollution stuff). However, enemies are autoplaced the same as ore are. Hence why we didn't find any easy way to just disable them without removing the map gen completely.

I'd strongly reconsider the decision to do this. This removes player agency over a reasonably core aspect of map creation.

Edit: I feel like a better way to accomplish what you're trying to do is to tweak the default values for map creation rather than hide/disable them. Not sure how feasible that is, not my area of expertise.

We're looking in other ways of disabling them, we're for sure looking for a better way.

Perhaps print a warning at game start indicating that default biter settings are not recommended?

(I personally didn't have too much trouble with biters in my most recent AB game, without exploration, but I had a good starting area, and once I got plasma turrets and artillery there have been no issues even with evolution creeping up to 0.8, except perhaps for the high demand artillery puts on my steel and plastic supplies.)

For now we only enable biters when angels exploration is present, however we're still debating if we also should enable them when bob warfare is present. Without any of these, it's not playable for sure. It even gets worse when you play with angels components and science overhaul, which slows you down even more.

[kirazy]

We're looking in other ways of disabling them, we're for sure looking for a better way.

Went and looked at the Prototype definitions, I'm nonplussed that they don't expose that setting in the API. Everything else is exposed. Interface request time?

[lovely_santa]

We're looking in other ways of disabling them, we're for sure looking for a better way.

Went and looked at the Prototype definitions, I'm nonplussed that they don't expose that setting in the API. Everything else is exposed. Interface request time?

King arthur will double check everything first, and if so, he said he would make an interface request for it.

[burner]

Not sure is this bug of sea blocks or Angels mods but after updating mods to newest version to get HF Gas cycle working Lithium Chloride recipe vanish.

[lovely_santa]

Not sure is this bug of sea blocks or Angels mods but after updating mods to newest version to get HF Gas cycle working Lithium Chloride recipe vanish.

Can you upload a save file? I can double check it, we disabled it in special vanilla, but I remember testing it in bob angels..

[burner]

Sure. Here it is.

[lovely_santa]

Thanks for the report, I fixed it for the next release of angels bio processing. In the meantime, a quick fix is mentioned below.

You can add these lines in the file
angelsbioprocessing/prototypes/overrides/bio-processing-override-angel.lua

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else
  OV.disable_recipe("algae-brown-burning")
end

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elseif mods["bobplates"] then
  -- nothing to change
else
  OV.disable_recipe("algae-brown-burning")
end

[burner]

Thank you. When next release will come out? With 2 palyer multiplayer server hot fix is doable but not preferred

[lovely_santa]

Thank you. When next release will come out? With 2 palyer multiplayer server hot fix is doable but not preferred

I would give it a week, so most obvious bugs get reported. I would expect by friday a release. Only reason to delay more/less than that would be if a big bug has to be fixed...

[Wigzz]

Hi Guys

i think i just found a bug since the last update of angel refining or this is my seablock that is bug but i can lets you see since last update this week ore sorting the crushed cupric ore is creating Something went wrong ( recipe ) and below it tell me you are missing dependencies or something went wrong but i did not change anything can anyone help me ?

Thanks