Compact Hub / Mall "Build everything" 1.0 all stage (Belt)

[Tekillaa]

Hi Factorio lovers and Pasta box Fan

thanks to some old blue print from streamers/youtubers (Kos and Nilaus), I have made a Compact Hub, let me know what you think about it

My choices are:
1) i want an evolve-able mall from mid game into the late game for mega base (raw mats from a main bus with conveyor belt, uranium exception, i dont want to use logistic for material, only for me and the war with bitters:D) and because belts are the game core.
2) compact, because lazy as i am, i dont want to run a marathon to make my shoppin and bots are faster too grab my stuff.
3) There is space left "behind" to build more assembling machines if i need it.
4) its no design for a starter base but the step just after (Starter suggestion in the BP book,read edit)
5) i'm not only fan of Pasta box, i also love pizza (don't need to read edit for that)
6) the assembling machines order for chests is irrelevant

TeKillA Hub/Mall BP Book MK2 : https://factorioprints.com/view/-MNOoFMI54rZbF9xrBxB

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Edit

1) Missing 1 long arm for rafinery, buffer chest for belt recycling, chest for green wire, il make update soon
-> I put a first version without recycle feature, i mean without logistic, to be able to use the blueprint without surprise with stack available in chests and i also put logistic desactivation on arms for nuke cause it eats mats, we dont need it when we first build the mall (i guess you get the first logistic research when you try to use uranium so i let you manually control the craft first , or something like 1k red circuit will stuck in a factory), i gonna put a version post logistic research with buffer chest to get the recycle and "clean up your mess" feature (i also win 3 slot for belt section)
2) Another more compact, more beacon (for future), more good lookin version incomin soon, dont build actually it to fast
-> done: i let beacon without module to let you an idea for the next step
3) another space line earn on chest line production, more compact! (this time i think i dont go more compact, all factory got the 2 row space max each time)
4) workin on the inserter section to make it more intuitive/game development, also be able to do yellow belt version (for all of it, totally makable actually, most of long undergrounds are just for visual lookin), idont forget the logistic version, i just trying to make it easier from the start to keep it clear
-> done : better inserter section, more clean, and it allow to make it yellow, most of the time a chest with a long arm solv the pb time to get red belt
5) Logistic and additionnal part added, workin on blue belt version then ill make a version yellow belt version for basical needs (that will allow so to do the fully red belt version) for my early game that i'll share too i guess, and also the logic beetween each version to be fully evolutive, dont hesitate to change settings, to share way to make it better lookin, comprehensive or something else, i'm aware with impressions and your opinion
6) forget gears for factory rank 1 for logistic version, just need to change the underground postion
-> done, workin on blue belt version and some optimisation for workin "harder better faster stronger", some useless inserter and better distribution.
7) Since i build a huge base, i can put my mall in high request for lot of things, so i found ways to optimize it, see again more easy and better distribution, but for me the factory positionning is good and i'll keep it, i will share you soon the blue version, followed by the adaptation of others ones because most upgrades i found are already possible, and still allow a yellow version (just cheking all chest and settings for no bad surprise, and i share )
-> I change the name of the thread since i post all stage version, so, the last stage version is the reason why i made it compact, it's almost like a clockwork to me, and i like it: lookin all those little arms with belts acting like marble run, it give like a satisfaction after so many hours spent in it . i made it to be a monster of production , even if its small, i spend time trying to find the good solution to feed the the blue underground aka "the gear wheels eater" with his little sister the belts.. This Mall dont make coffee yet, but i'll figure it out!
If you find a mistake/something going wrong (probably module choice, im still a noob/recent player), let me know, but normally i checked several times.
8) In a new game i was surprize by something probably disapear, put a steel chest instead of a ghost logistic chest with red slot dont keep red slot, i got some dadaptation to make on the "no logistic version" replace all chest or just replace by "first logisticresearch version" lazy as i am.
9) More than 2k view, amazing, i'm about to remake completely the post to make it cleaner, with in addition my module factory and my end game bot assembly, clean some little mistakes and let a true "user manual" if you want to change something (what input side matter, how to upgrade from a version to an another fast, etc). Some feedback are appreciated to know what is truely important to do from your point of view.
-> First addition of the module section, the big cleaning of the post come soon
10)MK1 : more than 7k view! ty <3 Reconstruction of the thread, new Bp book with ammo shop, belt sides input doesnt matter anymore, better inserter productivity, no yellow version anymore, but i make a starter suggestion to make a fast build of the mid game mall to truely build everything.
11) Small mistakes : setting on the boiler output inserter and the recipe for first defense drone (no need drone frame for it, idk why i was sure...) I'll try to improve production line about defense drones as soon as i can and find a easy ways to set up module but it seems i need a mod for that.
-> Done, chest and inserter got the good settings, feel free to let me know if something missing.
12) MK2: more than 40k views! thks for using my BluePrints! <3 : replacement of buffer chest by filtered yellow chest, i still not use logic network in it, but it's easy to make by yourself if you feel the need to use it.

A) Shopping Mall

1)Red Version, No logistic/chest limitation

Step 1

This one is the BP i use just after my starter base (suggestion just after), no oil products required to build it, that version allow me to build the oil processing and the first railroad network. i didnt put inserter in front of the nuclear reactor assembly fro the "mats eater" reason. it's basic, a bit of spiderman style with electric pole, but not for long. It maybe takes time to find the good location and build it. i don't build vehicles with AM before the late game, it will be processed in the bot section

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Starter Suggestion :

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2) Logistic Red Version

step 2

So it works that way, because the mall is the only provider of specific item, i'd like them to be stored in the respective chest without makin more item than necessary, so here's the solution, i put logistic condition on the output inserter of the respective factory to control the quantity available of item and i put a filtered yellow chest so it give the "item recycling/call back into the chest". To resume clearly :
-Output Inserter logistic condition = quantity of item
-FIltered Yellow Chest = get back/recycle effect
If you have more assemblies for a same item, use buffer chest too for the output or get back to full red chest. if you are far from the mall and you want a factory more producing, just take a bot to put a new 'no condition inserter', but carefull, no chest limitation on the version. to have regular electric placement, i had to make some small changes but the idea stay the same, this way to do avoid me many wires that i dont like, i want clear and compact concept. This version of the mall can easily follow the player to the first launch.
My way to make an easy transition for inserters is to delete all inserters first, to "paste" the BP with stack inserter : it avoids the manual installation of each inserter, bot do it for me, lot more faster. Use the upgrade tool for belts to switch into the last version.

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3) End game Version

last step

You want a mega base? This edition is for you, it will provide a good productivity of each item to expand your factory as long you feed it with belt dedicated only to the mall.

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B) Ammo

All ammo shop stages

On the picture, there is 3 version on the same ammo shop to follow the mall level, it's easy to extend it, customize it to make your own supply, it's a suggestion to have a decent ammo shop

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C) Bots (and vehicles)

First bot processing

A first compact bp to make some bots!

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bot processing with module

Let's have free stuff when we process bots with better output

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Tekilla motors industries

We want bots and vehicles, and lot of them

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D) Module maker

Into megabase

Inspiration from Poober BP (Soelless gaming, great youtuber too), 525 rank3 per hour or 8,7/min, just an adaptation to my needs, preset to make stock of 25 or 50 rank 1 and 2 before makin rank 3, mostly for power armor. If you building this, you're planning to build a mega base, use your firsts modules rank 3 for furnaces and circuit , to make more plates for more circuit, for more module.. for finally the science

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I always build my mall and all additionnal parts together, near from a big train station for "player access" with multiple stations and near from a lake for oil processing (build near from the mall too) and concrete (depends where is your iron ore/stone)

Cars On Belt MegaFactory : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbQUpLXbGmU

Special Thanks : KoS (initial concept design and tutorials) and Nilaus (tuto again, he makes the game very enjoyable like the previous ,i hope you watch some of their videos), their respective discord community (good ppl on da place!), Soelless Gaming(Poober).

I hope you enjoy watch this working, bye

PS : Try to build this "Mall" is for me part of the game, i share a way to do things to make it easier, comprehensive, but i can only recommend to build your own to fully enjoy Factorio, because this Mall is just "one" way to do things, i wish to see more style, more impressive way to do things. Ty to the staff for this awesome game

[Serenity]

Unless I'm missing something the green circuit wire doesn't have an output box

Tip: you can use buffer chests to recycle items like the belts. That prevents the loops you get if you use provider and requester chests


Something else I do for my malls:
For each half connect all the output boxes together with red circuit wire and connect it to an an arithmetic combinator. Do Each * -1, output Each. Place a couple of constant combinators at the start and set your desired amounts for items. Use green wire to connect them to the output of the combinator. Then run the green wire to all output inserters and set them to be enabled if the item is > 0

So for example if you have 200 yellow belts and want 300. You get -200 + 300 = 100. Output is enabled. If you have 400 belts you get -400 + 300 = -100

Now you can set the amount of items comfortably in a central location and don't have to manually block boxes. Which also works nicely with the buffer chest recycling.

[Tekillaa]

Ty for your answer, yes it needs an out box for green wire and a long arm for refinery(stone), and im aware for simple system to manage the belt (and underground) i need, mostly for tier transition, my next step is to centralize oh many of each item i need in each box and save some early needs , and give order like you mention (mostly for nuke plant), i will try your option and make it works, i want simple solution for simple needs most of the time

[Hottemax]

The blueprint string does not work for me, unfortunately?!

[Tekillaa]

Hi, i gonna check that, refresh de BP string if needed

-> i have refresh the content of the BP link, enjoy

[Hottemax]

Hi, i gonna check that, refresh de BP string if needed

-> i have refresh the content of the BP link, enjoy

I'm not quite sure what you mean, it still doesn't work if I use the "Copy Blueprint string" link. There are 2 superfluous equal signs at the beginning of the string that gets copied to clipboard which cause direct import to fail; after removing them manually I was able to import the BP ...

Thanks for the blueprint!

[Tekillaa]

My bad, sorry, i'm kinda new here, i dont know how to use perfectly the forum, i tried to make it right , equal sign comes from here =>
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=29493, and thank you to let me know

[Hottemax]

No worries, and thanks again - great mall design, love the BP, works like a charm!

[Bauer]

I use a sushi belt design.
Belts, inserters, pipes, engines, rails, bots, concrete, landfill, solar, modules are extra.

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[Tekillaa]

Nice sushi design! Thank you to let people different (nice and neat) choice on the thread that what i was meaning in my PS.

With sushi design you make me think about Kitsh, he got a good mall with chest on a road side.

[astroshak]

Nice malls...

Tekillaa, one of the AM3’s in your “Personal Stuff” portion has no recipe set. Its the one to the left of the Personal Shields 2.

[Tekillaa]

Hi,

My idea was to process the fusion core for the power armor on that factory (in order to make different power armor with different setup), but i was lookin for a better positionning maybe (actually its good for me)
I'm gonna make a clean military/ammo section like the bot or module part and stop to make ammo in the mall with all the buildings/other stuff.

I'm about to make an update/clean of the post but I'm just taking time to make a clip about another project at the moment.

[esmea]

I've been playing around with your mall, Tekillaa… great job on the design! I have noticed, though, that I've grown a bit comfortable with KoS's latest designs where the inputs are not strict on which sides have what materials (through use of recursive filtered splitters). I took some time and adapted one of your mall designs to this (as a proof-of-concept), but I'm curious if there might have been some reasoning for it to have been the way it was.

Also, as far as future updates to it, I wonder if you might consider including a means to accommodate this idea of ambiguous inputs.

[Tekillaa]

I've been playing around with your mall, Tekillaa… great job on the design! I have noticed, though, that I've grown a bit comfortable with KoS's latest designs where the inputs are not strict on which sides have what materials (through use of recursive filtered splitters). I took some time and adapted one of your mall designs to this (as a proof-of-concept), but I'm curious if there might have been some reasoning for it to have been the way it was.

Also, as far as future updates to it, I wonder if you might consider including a means to accommodate this idea of ambiguous inputs.

Thank you for your return : this is exactly the kind i was waiting for, so i'll go take a look into it to remove this necessity of taking care of the belt side input.

It's that way because that mall is my first post/creation, so i don't got all good idea and making belt trick like the old fashion way was fun to me but not only. When i was trying to handle that before the final shape of the mall, it was harder to find the space for 2 splitter (1normal for the main line and 1 filter to make the separation) each time i need to pull a mats on a side so i decided to stick to a configuration where pulling require just a splitter and a underground in or out : it requires less space for the same result instead of 2 splitter. A friend of mine have made the mistake about it (input sides) on that mall just few days ago, i'll do my best to remove that requirement for the mall setting or if its not possible(sometimes it can be more tricky than the first thought), make it easier. I'll try to make as fast as i can, you can see after i got like a game planning and one project keep focusing all my attention x)

And again, thank you for the return. It's my only way to improve what i do and share to people.

game planning

So i'm planning to
1) Make a video about the mega base i build and all mistakes i made in it, explain them etc..(actually more than 30k rocket send and 8 kspm) maybe some tutorials about trains, the mall..
viewtopic.php?f=204&t=69802

2) update of the mall thread with the end game bot/ammo part/general improvment


3) A traffic jam simulation in factorio x) no more item displayed, 1kspm modules, the big idea is to make everything with different car loop and it works (my starting point was Allaizn), I have learned a lot about cars and i'm about to make a tutorial and/or a thread about it. A total processing with car from train of ore to the rocket and science is now done, i just need to improve it again, and again, and again... (car frequency/assembler ratio, inserter/belt automation to reduce updates and not just make it viable, but also a good solution for ups compare to belt and bot)


Busy ?!? Not at all x)

[esmea]

... it was harder to find the space for 2 splitter (1normal for the main line and 1 filter to make the separation) each time i need to pull a mats on a side so i decided to stick to a configuration where pulling require just a splitter and a underground in or out : it requires less space for the same result instead of 2 splitter. ...

While writing my previous post, I had considered posting some example images of what I had done to get it working on my proof-of-concept - but then realized that the images weren't of 'wrong input sides', so it wouldn't have really shown that it works; also because I felt it might be presumptuous. I was also curious to see what your own take on a solution would be.

Perhaps now would be the time to capture and post images...

Ambiguous Input fixes

The example build is using the logistics mall, complete with the equipment and ammo addons.

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There were some tricky bits, and some that I didn't catch until much later of observation.

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This last one I didn't find until much later, since it doesn't occur on the main belts.

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I hope these prove to be helpful.

[Tekillaa]

... it was harder to find the space for 2 splitter (1normal for the main line and 1 filter to make the separation) each time i need to pull a mats on a side so i decided to stick to a configuration where pulling require just a splitter and a underground in or out : it requires less space for the same result instead of 2 splitter. ...

While writing my previous post, I had considered posting some example images of what I had done to get it working on my proof-of-concept - but then realized that the images weren't of 'wrong input sides', so it wouldn't have really shown that it works; also because I felt it might be presumptuous. I was also curious to see what your own take on a solution would be. ...

The stack inserter need red circuit, i have made a big update of my post with the "belt side input" which doesn't matter anymore in all my BP..thank you for showing me your solutions.

Enjoy!

[gghf]

Hey, I really like your mall. I was wondering, why do you use buffer chests instead of storage chests? In either case, you have to use filters in the chest itself for the item (1 filter slot available for storage chests), and storage chests are available much earlier. Also, you don't need to actually enter any number for the filter slot, so you're not restricted by the number of items coming back in to be recycled. Your character gets fed from storage chests too, so there is no functional difference for you personally. Buffer chests just allow you to filter for multiple items, not just one.

I did just think of one situation where buffer chests might be preferable: If you need to get rid of all your inventory, dumping it all into storage chests would be the fastest solution, compared to having everything carried away by logistics bots piece by piece.
The buffer chests in the mall would then once again slowly free up those storage chests, provided the buffer chests still have their requests unmet. That effect would make buffer chests in the mall preferable to storage chests, but only if you actually care whether these external storage chests for emptying bags actually get recycled fast. And also, only if you have unlocked buffer chests. Therefore your red logistics mall should be switched over to storage chests from buffer chests, as those wouldn't be unlocked until later in the game.

Another step you might wish to take, is to wire up all chests and all inserters unloading into those chests, hook them up to arithmetic combinators that compare your demand (set with constant combinators) and tell the inserters to load the chests only if the logistic network content for that item does not meet the set demand. I can post a picture to explain this, or you could check out this minimall by Dimava. If you have any more questions, please don't hesitate to get in contact with me.

[Tekillaa]

Hello!

I play with buffer chest because i use a lot connecting and disconnecting logistic network when i build a base, i prefer the way item are requested to make this kind of action, it's clearly a matter of taste and gamestyle. I just prefer the fact that item are requested, when i set up the blue print, every item go where it supposed to be in case there is a bit of mess before I will make a version with yellow chest (and maybe wires) when the stable 0.17 will be released.
For the wires, again a matter of taste, i don't like wires mostly because i dont "really" need it in the mall. I prefer to share a simple version without too many things/details to let new people just a "basic" build without combinators, i prefer let people add wires by themselves, like the idea of customization.
I want to keep it basic and simple, but i will look into the best way to do a clear mall circuitry with friends to make a version with wires and possibility to use (a unique?) signal for all item.

I hope i have answered to your questions, i will make a new BP book for the stable 0.17 with those suggestions and thank you for the feedback. Have Fun!
Factorio is awesome!

[LazyLoneLion]

I hate it when images are not available...

[Tekillaa]

Thank you for noticing! Pictures are re-available.