[0.17] Please post bugs and balance issues here.

[bobingabout]

Hi Bob, getting this error, not sure if it is on my end or yours:


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I have no problems with just base mod and my little mod, as soon as I add boblogistics this error comes up. I'm just changing the fast_replaceable_group
for splitters and underground-belts with the mod.

Here's a copy of it.


belt-legacy_0.0.6.zip

Looks like you've set the fast replace group for your vanilla belts as mandatory, but bob's belts as optional.

Part of 0.17 introduces the upgrade system. I added progression to include my belts. The error is complaining that the fast replace groups of express underground belt and turbo underground belt are different (Underground belt for express and transport belt for turbo)
Basically, what it's telling you to do is make sure you replace the fast-replace group of the entire chain. So don't make it effecting my belts optional, force it on them.

Personally, in this situation, I might decide to for in pairs all data.raw["underground-belt"] entities, and change the fast-replace group on all of them in the data-updates phase. same with splitter.

[Somtuk]

Unsure if this is a 0.17.1 bug, or a Bob's Ore bug, but here goes....

All mods are disabled except for the following:
- base
- Bob's Library
- Bob's Ores

Steps to reproduce the problem:
1) Enable Bauxite ore only in the Bob's Ore mod settings (** NOTE: This isn't a Bauxite only problem, it just makes it easier to spot)
2) Start a new game (I chose default map settings)
3) Enable preview
4) Set all ore frequencies to the minimum (17%)

Things to notice:
- Ore patches are ridiculously big

Increase the Frequency by 1 notch at a time and notice odd ore patch sizes. The variations seem rather inconsistent, but sometimes are radically different, event for just one notch up/down.

I originally found this with a bunch of mods installed, but trimmed it down to the 3 listed above in an attempt to track down the odd behaviour.

I hope this information is helpful. It's not an easy thing to explain.

[fishycat]

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Thanks for your input, I appreciate it a lot!

[kirazy]

Low resolution sprites:


There's an alignment issue with the belt graphics. The issue is not present at high resolution.

Also, the underground basic belt is using the regular transport belt graphics:

[bobingabout]

Low resolution sprites:


There's an alignment issue with the belt graphics. The issue is not present at high resolution.

Also, the underground basic belt is using the regular transport belt graphics:

Not a game breaking issue, but an issue none the less, I'll take a look at it later.

[Dialog]

If you set less frequency, size became like this.

[bobingabout]

If you set less frequency, size became like this.

I'm fairly sure that's a base game change, it effects Iron and Copper too, not just my ores, just not as much.
I've tried to figure out these changes, but, the devs don't make it easy to figure out. Take a look at the file /data/base/prototypes/entity/demo-resource-autoplace.lua to see what I mean, if you can figure out what's going on, let me know and I'll update my resource autoplace appropriately.

But yes, this is a known issue with 0.16, as you turned up frequency, size went down, and as you turned it down, size went up. the devs solved the issue by adjusting autoplace, I just can't figure out how.

[GrumpyJoe]

But yes, this is a known issue with 0.16, as you turned up frequency, size went down, and as you turned it down, size went up. the devs solved the issue by adjusting autoplace, I just can't figure out how.

I even think thats working as intended, given how the curve works.
High frequenzy has higher spikes, but they are narrower. It cuts the curve somewhere, and as its narrower, the "cut off area of that hill" is smaller, but it should appear more often.

I cant remember the post, might have been a FFF. The formula behind it has a name i also fail to remember.

Even with that in mind, i couldnt get any map thats somewhat decent looking.
Think we gotta wait for RSO, as it solved alot in 0.16.

[bobingabout]

Low resolution sprites:
There's an alignment issue with the belt graphics. The issue is not present at high resolution.
Also, the underground basic belt is using the regular transport belt graphics:

Re: this thing.

I've looked into it. What I actually did when making the new belt graphics was edit the HR sprites then resize down for the normal sprites, the problem is that when I resize the large sprite sheet in my normal editing software, it doesn't align it properly, padding the top of the sheet by a pixel and squashing the rest of it to compensate.
I've just done it again in a different piece of software to get rid of the issue. I'm not going to release this yet, as it's not really a game breaking bug, but I will release it either when I do fix a game breaking bug, edit/add a feature, or just after sufficient time has passed with no other changes (Maybe a week or 2)

[wizisi2k]

here's a problem with bob's modules and other mods that a friend found: possible bug. . I don't know if it is bob modules's that won't load or if it's in tandem with a few of these and haven't tried it myself so cannot replicate. He also assumes it affects inserts and logistics as well.

[DanaScully]

Not a bug, so slightly OT: Bob, the fact that you released updated versions for your mod package on the same day the vanilla update was out leaves me in awe. Thank you so much.

[bobingabout]

here's a problem with bob's modules and other mods that a friend found: possible bug. . I don't know if it is bob modules's that won't load or if it's in tandem with a few of these and haven't tried it myself so cannot replicate. He also assumes it affects inserts and logistics as well.

Some of my mods use the graphics file listed. it's a 1x1 transparent image designed to be used as a dummy where an entity is looking for graphics, but you don't want any to actually show.
In this case, the game is literally just listing every mod that uses that graphic, even though it's likely only one of them defining it as 32x32 when it isn't.

Bob, the fact that you released updated versions for your mod package on the same day the vanilla update was out leaves me in awe. Thank you so much.

I have source access, that means I've had access to 0.17 source code for the entirety of it's development, so to actually play the game I need to compile it myself first. I've actually added features to the game myself, including the fluid energy source, and converting the reactor from burner to a dynamic energy source. These of course are only actually used for mods.

Anyway, my point is... I've actually been working on updating my mods for months, usually adapting to a change shortly after it was implemented. a far longer but much painless method of doing it.
I had to do some last minute tweaks, but my mods were effectively already finished by the time 0.17 was released.

though it's more of an 80% finished stage, because I still need to fix balance issues, and there's likely still bugs I don't know about. Also I have notes here saying "Check all technology prerequisites" and stuff like that. Anyone noticing prerequisites that don't make sense, EG, a technology requiring Logistics 3 instead of Logistic science pack, should be reported. I've already found a few myself since release.

[JANIS1289]

Hi Bob!

I have issue to locate mods in new game! All Bob's mods shoving in settings, but then I start new game only Clock, Inserters and Character Classes mods showing up, no other mods. (Do not have any error msg loading game) Running 0.17.x Latest I deleted all old mods and instaled all new ones, no change...

[orzelek]

Tiny thing:
Should behemot worm have less hp then giant one?

[bobingabout]

Tiny thing:
Should behemot worm have less hp then giant one?

Well... probably not, but ye olde bob-behemoth worm no longer exists, behemoth worm is in the base game now, so...

[bobingabout]

Hi Bob!

I have issue to locate mods in new game! All Bob's mods shoving in settings, but then I start new game only Clock, Inserters and Character Classes mods showing up, no other mods. (Do not have any error msg loading game) Running 0.17.x Latest I deleted all old mods and installed all new ones, no change...

check the mods list in the mods page, if they're not loading, there may be a reason for it listed on there. Though those are the only 3 that add an icon on the top bar, everything else just adds items in the game.

Basically, I need more information before I can do anything.

[JANIS1289]

Hi Bob!

I have issue to locate mods in new game! All Bob's mods shoving in settings, but then I start new game only Clock, Inserters and Character Classes mods showing up, no other mods. (Do not have any error msg loading game) Running 0.17.x Latest I deleted all old mods and installed all new ones, no change...

check the mods list in the mods page, if they're not loading, there may be a reason for it listed on there. Though those are the only 3 that add an icon on the top bar, everything else just adds items in the game.

Basically, I need more information before I can do anything.

All sorted, I was mistaken by Angel mods that adds additional tabs for items! And great job, can't wait for new stuff to test out from you!

[Dkir]

The upgraded boilers are now worse than the default one due to the 100% efficiency change, and the higher tiers still retaining their 60-90% efficiency.
Pretty sure that`s not intended :3

[igorhgf]

I'm having issues since 0.17.3. The game is stuck in the loading screen at exactly 94% (loading sprites). I've gone throught all my mods and the only ones causing this issue is a few bob's mods ( logistic and ores, maybe others but i couldn't test all ).

Also everything in my computer slows down / freeze for about a second when the game reaches 94%.

Edit: bob's enemies cause this problem too.

[ShadowGlass]

Vanilla smelting recipe times have been changed from 3.5 to 3.2 to compensate for belt changes. It would be great if you could change your smelting recipes the same way, so the existing smelting setups would still work.