Make wood useful

[Dormat1]

Use wood in more then wood crates and fuel.

[steinio]

Power poles ;p

Do you have some ideas where to use wood?

[Tekky]

In this thread, it has been proposed that wood should also be used to build very simple walls, that are weaker than stone and concrete walls.

Also, I would like to point out that Bod's Mods uses wood for quite a few other things, such as producing tier 1 electronic circuits. It even allows you to produce wood using greenhouses.

I agree with you that wood should have more uses than it currently does in vanilla Factorio.

[Deadly-Bagel]

I don't think walls is the way to go, they just wouldn't be used.

I quite liked Bob's implementation of Wood to Heavy Oil, I used it for different reasons but in vanilla a wood to say Petroleum or Light Oil recipe (at a ratio of 20:1 or something) would allow us to do something useful with all that excess wood but not make it a requirement.

[FasterJump]

Wood currently cannot be included into main recipes because:
-Wood is a very limited ressource.
-Wood cannot be automatically gathered.

But those points could change in the future, that would allow more uses for wood.

[Yoyobuae]

-Wood cannot be automatically gathered.

Bots...

[TakingItCasual]

I'd hardly call the deconstruction planner automatic.

[Yoyobuae]

I'd hardly call the deconstruction planner automatic.

Neither are miners (unless you are NiftyManiac ).

Both are the same deal: Place once, get resources until exhausted, remove and replace elsewhere. Wood farming yields less amount per each iteration, but so the demand for wood could be balanced accordingly. Also trees could be bumped to yield 8 or even 16 raw wood, if necessary for balance.

[dasiro]

charcoaling would be a rather interesting option turning excess wood into coal

[Aeternus]

Charcoaling would be easy to add even even. Simply use a furnace recipy. 2 Wood + (fuel/energy) at 4 seconds -> 1 Coal. Then make it a default furnace recipy so that you have access to it right from the get-go. Any surplus wood? Shove it into a furnace to make some coal out of it, which can then be used in coal liquification, plastics... energy wise it'd still be cheaper to just burn wood directly, but you'd have another option.

Right now, once my base is established and I've got both steel and medium electric pole production, wood becomes useless. I usually set up a single boiler plus 4 steam engines and a tank, then send all wood there via the logistics network, along with basic electric poles, chests and boards (they've got a fuel value so they'll burn, no need to clog up storage with those). Garbage incinerator basically.

[Ranakastrasz]

Charcoaling would be easy to add even even. Simply use a furnace recipy. 2 Wood + (fuel/energy) at 4 seconds -> 1 Coal. Then make it a default furnace recipy so that you have access to it right from the get-go. Any surplus wood? Shove it into a furnace to make some coal out of it, which can then be used in coal liquification, plastics... energy wise it'd still be cheaper to just burn wood directly, but you'd have another option.

Nope. Wood is a fuel. While you can make a chemical-burner factory use a chemical-fuel in recipes, it will have the completely understandable and infuriating effect of using the wood as fuel instead of as a component.

Suggest doing it in Assembly Machine, chemical plant, or a new machine.

[dasiro]

Charcoaling would be easy to add even even. Simply use a furnace recipy. 2 Wood + (fuel/energy) at 4 seconds -> 1 Coal. Then make it a default furnace recipy so that you have access to it right from the get-go. Any surplus wood? Shove it into a furnace to make some coal out of it, which can then be used in coal liquification, plastics... energy wise it'd still be cheaper to just burn wood directly, but you'd have another option.

Nope. Wood is a fuel. While you can make a chemical-burner factory use a chemical-fuel in recipes, it will have the completely understandable and infuriating effect of using the wood as fuel instead of as a component.

Suggest doing it in Assembly Machine, chemical plant, or a new machine.

Instead of the assembly machine or chemical plant, it makes more sense to produce it in the electric furnace, as it doesn't accept fuels, only ores and it's also a process that heats them in order to extract the metals

[Ranakastrasz]

True enough, that would work.

Would need to make electric furnaces classified differently, similar to how Assemblers can make engines while the player cannot.

[Aeternus]

The game will accept the same kind of item used as both fuel and resource. I've seen it work before in Bobs mods when making "Carbon" in a non-electrical chemcical furnace. It requires coal, but can use both coal for base resource as well as fuel. Using it in any furnace would work

[dasiro]

that sounds like a non-vanilla entity and modmakers have a lot more freedom to change recipes and entities. You could probably create a mod producing satellites out of fish

[Ranakastrasz]

that sounds like a non-vanilla entity and modmakers have a lot more freedom to change recipes and entities. You could probably create a mod producing satellites out of fish

That much is trivial. I could write that in 5 minutes
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That thing in bobs mod was what I was talking about. You can use fuel as ingredients but it tends to get used as fuel which is annoying.

[Deadly-Bagel]

Yeah but in Bob's Mods Carbon isn't too bad because in the Burner Chemical Furnace you can set the recipe so it's not accidentally going to get made. You can't really use another fuel source, at least not reliably, but it's not exactly used in high volumes until you've got the electric variant and until then it's easier to use coal regardless.

The problem with a recipe having a fuel as a component is only a problem with furnaces because they don't have recipes. This could mean if you were using wood to power your Iron furnaces you could potentially end up with a bunch of Coal in your Iron feed.

[Ranakastrasz]

Yeah but in Bob's Mods Carbon isn't too bad because in the Burner Chemical Furnace you can set the recipe so it's not accidentally going to get made. You can't really use another fuel source, at least not reliably, but it's not exactly used in high volumes until you've got the electric variant and until then it's easier to use coal regardless.

The problem with a recipe having a fuel as a component is only a problem with furnaces because they don't have recipes. This could mean if you were using wood to power your Iron furnaces you could potentially end up with a bunch of Coal in your Iron feed.

Huh, didn't consider that....

That would be amusing at least.

[whitecold]

I very much like the electronics of bob's mod. The MK I-MK V of each item get cluttery, but the more complicated recipes for the intermediaries make for an interesting challenge. Having to use wood in circuits together with a early automatable wood source would be nice

[Deadly-Bagel]

That's irrelevant for this topic. The base game won't be made this complex because there would be too high a barrier to entry. Sure it seems simple enough to you now but I bet it all wasn't so simple in your first few playthroughs. Wood can't be used as it is in Bob's Mods without implementing the Greenhouse as well which is also ramping up the difficulty more than desired.

IMO it just need establishing as a side-recipe for something. Not sure if it can be set up so that it can be turned into Coal -but- it only works in Electric Furnaces? That would work too.