Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Circuit-free solutions of basic factory-design to achieve optimal item-throughput.
Involving: Belts (balancers, crossings), Inserters, Chests, Furnaces, Assembling Devices ...
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Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by solardarity » Mon Apr 28, 2014 6:31 am

Hi, I'm kinda new here and I just wanted to show off a belt system I made for my science packs/ research.

It should be said that this design is not for people who want something compact, this system is quite large. (Actually in fact, everything on this save is rather expansive)

If you can't see the purple science packs, they (will) be made in the assemblies opposite the blue science pack assemblies when I unlock alien tech on this save.

Anyways, here it is.

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Post by general_d » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:38 pm

nice

I also don't really strive for compact. I love a nice sprawling factory with crazy conveyer belts, especially since I have only put it maybe 20 hours so far. That's what makes this such great fun you can have any design you like.

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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by Drury » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:44 pm

I like compact factories with belts sprawling all over like spaghetti without any order.

Best of both worlds! Plus it's always fun when you come to the point where you need to drag a belt all across that mess to the other end of the factory.
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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by general_d » Mon Apr 28, 2014 4:49 pm

hey drury, bit off topic but is that an open TTD logo you are using???

if so then very nice!

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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by mohreb » Mon Apr 28, 2014 9:05 pm

shouldn't there be en efficiency beacon near the 4th tier science pack constructor part ? (at least for me alien artifacts seem to come hard for a beacon to worth it)

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Post by solardarity » Tue Apr 29, 2014 1:08 am

mohreb wrote:shouldn't there be en efficiency beacon near the 4th tier science pack constructor part ? (at least for me alien artifacts seem to come hard for a beacon to worth it)
I'm playing this particular save with very big biter bases, with very good quality.

I basically get constantly attacked at my walls, so I have to go out and cull off the spawners when they get too close to my wall, which results in lots of alien artifacts, so no need for beacons. Even in the screenshot in this thread, I had already collected some alien artifacts before even getting alien tech.

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Post by Reygan » Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:41 am

general_d wrote:hey drury, bit off topic but is that an open TTD logo you are using???

if so then very nice!
Yes, that it is.
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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by Palpatine » Tue May 06, 2014 9:11 pm

general_d wrote:nice

I also don't really strive for compact. I love a nice sprawling factory with crazy conveyer belts, especially since I have only put it maybe 20 hours so far. That's what makes this such great fun you can have any design you like.
Compactness is one thing, but I think OP's design doesn't have the correct proportions of factories. For example there are way too many circuit factories relative to the cable factories.

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Post by solardarity » Wed May 07, 2014 1:52 am

Palpatine wrote:
general_d wrote:nice

I also don't really strive for compact. I love a nice sprawling factory with crazy conveyer belts, especially since I have only put it maybe 20 hours so far. That's what makes this such great fun you can have any design you like.
Compactness is one thing, but I think OP's design doesn't have the correct proportions of factories. For example there are way too many circuit factories relative to the cable factories.
This science pack factory isn't actually entirely a closed system. If you notice at the end of the EC factory belt, there's an inserter and a chest. Currently that chest is apart of my logistics system that (along with an even BIGGER EC factory) feeds the rest of my factory which uses 95% logistics bots to transfer reagents between chests for production. Not to mention the fact that there's a lot of things that are AC hungry, so the AC factories need all the EC they can get.

But anyway, of course if someone were to use this design in their factory, they could reduce or increase the number of any one part of the production to suit their own needs.

EDIT: Re-read your original post. As for crafting speeds of cables vs. ECs, if they're both operating without modules in the same tier assembler, the cables won't keep up with EC production. My solution was to just put more speed modules in the cables than there are in the EC assemblers, saving me having to change my factory layout.

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Post by Bleda » Wed May 14, 2014 7:59 pm

I expanded my compact 1+2 science factory to add blue science too. It's now about the triple size, but that's still very compact, considering the complexity of blue science. I have 6 blue assemblies for them, so technically they can't keep up with red and green production, but since lots of techs don't actually need blue, I think it's ok. I could use yellow assemblies or speed modules to get the output to 0.5/s like the red and green.
the assembly in the bottom right corner is for alien science packs. It won't keep up with the other's speed, that's the only downside about my perfectly squared little science factory. ;)

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Post by solardarity » Thu May 15, 2014 3:31 am

Bleda wrote:I expanded my compact 1+2 science factory to add blue science too. It's now about the triple size, but that's still very compact, considering the complexity of blue science. I have 6 blue assemblies for them, so technically they can't keep up with red and green production, but since lots of techs don't actually need blue, I think it's ok. I could use yellow assemblies or speed modules to get the output to 0.5/s like the red and green.
the assembly in the bottom right corner is for alien science packs. It won't keep up with the other's speed, that's the only downside about my perfectly squared little science factory. ;)

hope you like it

I like how compact that is. Nice work. :)

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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by ssilk » Thu May 15, 2014 4:44 pm

Some may also like to look into this thread. Old and a lot must be changed, but the idea was cool.

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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by Bleda » Fri May 16, 2014 9:34 am

that's very nice, indeed. thanks for the link. however now with the liquid stuff involved, it would probably become bigger.

In my setup now I'm having problems to keep up with the raw material supply. It's really crazy how much iron and copper it needs to run at full speed. I guess generally I could have my setup smaller and make more use of higher lever assemblies and modules after some time.

do you think it's possible to have a minimalistic blue science setup where everything is fed directly without belts?

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Post by Bleda » Fri May 16, 2014 4:34 pm

Hey guys.

Today I built another science design. This time it's a different approach that's not really useable for normal gameplay, but I must say I like the beauty of it.

There are two things I don't like, however. First, there are two gear assemblies, while I wanted to have just one shared between red, belts and inserters. Second, I didn't find an elegant way to share one circuit assembly for all three types of inserters and the advanced circuits. I did a dirty solution with some underground belts, which I especially dislike because the idea was to have no belts but the ones bringing in the raw materials. If anybody finds a solution to these problems, please share and help the minimalistic science factory to achieve perfect harmony. ;)
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Post by solardarity » Sat May 17, 2014 4:49 am

I'm pretty sure you could move those assemblers around so that one gear assembler feeds the needs for that entire factory, although I'm hard pressed to believe that it could keep up with production if you were doing constant research.

As for the circuits, it's either keep as it is or add another circuit factory in.

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Post by darvon » Sat May 17, 2014 6:02 am

Bleda wrote:my perfectly squared little science factory.
I really like this design. Small, clean, minimal. Totally going to play around with this as a starting point.

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Post by Bleda » Sat May 17, 2014 11:01 am

solardarity wrote:I'm pretty sure you could move those assemblers around so that one gear assembler feeds the needs for that entire factory, although I'm hard pressed to believe that it could keep up with production if you were doing constant research.

As for the circuits, it's either keep as it is or add another circuit factory in.
You think so? the problem is, that the gear - belt - inserter - green assemblies must be in this squared arrangement, while both, red and green need access to the lab. I could move the red assembly over next to the gear factory to the right, but then it's far away from the lab. I don't think there's a way.

the problem about a second circuit assembly next to the inserter assembly is that inserters also need iron plates, so it needs access to the belt. three sides are already occupied, so the only possible space would be to the right, where the belt is running through.

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Re: Science Packs 1 - 4 Factory

Post by BurnHard » Sat May 17, 2014 11:11 am

that poor lonely lab ;)

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Post by Madlax » Sat May 17, 2014 5:09 pm

I saw the post above and decided to try something similar with the minimal footprint challenge (without robotics). The result is much more chaotic because I cut out second gear AM and had to reroute the whole thing due to that. Also I replaced two wire AM1s with one AM2, which is quite sufficient enough. Because of the researched lvl.4 lab efficiency, I had to put 2 lvl.1 performance modules to blue pack AM as it became the bottleneck. Currently whole production is able to keep up with the research speed if enough raw materials are supplied. No additional belts were used except the main one and there are only 2 points (marked) of inderect interchanges between AMs.

Gas and coal lines are not active, I simply put sulfur and plastic to output slots to test the whole thing out and it worked.
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