Quality Suggestion
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Quality Suggestion
I'm starting my first Factorio run in space age and had a look at the game options. There is currently no ability to modify the percentages for quality upgrades and thought that might be a good thing to add. I would really appreciate the ability to make different qualities more or less common for the game as a whole, just for fun.
Re: Quality Suggestion
I think mods would be more suitable for that than the base game.
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Re: Quality Suggestion
I'm meaning the chance of them appearing when crafting, not the actual effect of the different stats, most things in the game can be tweaked in that way by default, it just seemed unintuitive to not include chance of quality.
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Re: Quality Suggestion
Brother that is not even on the same planet as what I was suggesting 
Re: Quality Suggestion
Why do people fail to see the point?
The DLC is a PAID
we get access to something behind a paywall
We can set the spoilage high that it will take seconds but the reverse? no, few hours, you want more? use mods.
This mentality is the same with the quality
I played around with Mods. At quality, that, if normal (no quality) is level 1, legendary is level 5, at level 10, most of the quality have hit a hard cap. Like range of turrents and similar, range of power poles. Resourse drain is 1% on big miner. Aka you really do not need any other mod exactly because quality at level 10, have hit the hard cap.
And let me not even start with how you can combine speed, quality, productivity on 1 single assamble (or similar) exactly because they have such a massive bonus that you still get 100% quality.
So again, just like how we can ajust to start with milions of resourse at start of the base, and hundrends of miulions around us, quality, BEFORE START OF GAME, should also have it's how set of options. Including how many levels <- as mentioned, to completly void the need of any mod exactly due to cap. When this bonuses start, like default is default, but what if we had a simple tick box saying: unlock X quality from start of game?
And even without the whole quality beyond legendary, the point still stands, we should be able to ajust the % of the quality. We paid for this and the dev cleary are penalising people for even trying to use it. The quality module 2, give 2% but the 3 gives 2.5%??? that's 25% increase vs 2. You need so many stuff if you want a legendary level, and on top, exactly because speed modul give quality penalty, you would need mutiple legendary quality. But you are behind a gamgling mecaniscs to get them
And no, no one, absolutly no one wants factorio to be a gambling game, a gacha game, or an online game (like WoW that aparently was the inspiration....) where you need to farm to obtain a legendary item. We want automation, clarity, production.
Just look at the video created by Nilaus, where he shows how, LATE GAME, you can produce thousens of legendary materials by combining recycling, productivity bonus from research, and the new building giving extra productivity bonus. That's real factorio, where you have control of what is going on. And yes, I do know Nilaus said he is not ok with how this system is OP, yet, as I meantioned already, I am NOT talking about chaing the current default, but to give us option to ajust this, exactly because it's a paid DLC. I mean, when Nilaus said he find this system OP, he only had an Epic armour.... had a fleet of platforms.... tons of infinite research... AKA yes, I get why he said the, yet, most people will nevel reach that level, so why did they pay for the quality DLC? And there is also the following:
For anyone not understanding why I said about level 10 quality = no other mods needed: Why did I paid for Quality if, I can never have a base that is just covered in quality, and insted, can just use a mod that will offer me the ability to cover my base with items (power lines, roboports, assambles) that make the legendary quality an absoluty joke?
We paid for the DLC, and the devs should add options to let us ajust the parameters of the dlc, to our preference, without "use mods" being the answer
The DLC is a PAID
we get access to something behind a paywall
We can set the spoilage high that it will take seconds but the reverse? no, few hours, you want more? use mods.
This mentality is the same with the quality
I played around with Mods. At quality, that, if normal (no quality) is level 1, legendary is level 5, at level 10, most of the quality have hit a hard cap. Like range of turrents and similar, range of power poles. Resourse drain is 1% on big miner. Aka you really do not need any other mod exactly because quality at level 10, have hit the hard cap.
And let me not even start with how you can combine speed, quality, productivity on 1 single assamble (or similar) exactly because they have such a massive bonus that you still get 100% quality.
So again, just like how we can ajust to start with milions of resourse at start of the base, and hundrends of miulions around us, quality, BEFORE START OF GAME, should also have it's how set of options. Including how many levels <- as mentioned, to completly void the need of any mod exactly due to cap. When this bonuses start, like default is default, but what if we had a simple tick box saying: unlock X quality from start of game?
And even without the whole quality beyond legendary, the point still stands, we should be able to ajust the % of the quality. We paid for this and the dev cleary are penalising people for even trying to use it. The quality module 2, give 2% but the 3 gives 2.5%??? that's 25% increase vs 2. You need so many stuff if you want a legendary level, and on top, exactly because speed modul give quality penalty, you would need mutiple legendary quality. But you are behind a gamgling mecaniscs to get them
And no, no one, absolutly no one wants factorio to be a gambling game, a gacha game, or an online game (like WoW that aparently was the inspiration....) where you need to farm to obtain a legendary item. We want automation, clarity, production.
Just look at the video created by Nilaus, where he shows how, LATE GAME, you can produce thousens of legendary materials by combining recycling, productivity bonus from research, and the new building giving extra productivity bonus. That's real factorio, where you have control of what is going on. And yes, I do know Nilaus said he is not ok with how this system is OP, yet, as I meantioned already, I am NOT talking about chaing the current default, but to give us option to ajust this, exactly because it's a paid DLC. I mean, when Nilaus said he find this system OP, he only had an Epic armour.... had a fleet of platforms.... tons of infinite research... AKA yes, I get why he said the, yet, most people will nevel reach that level, so why did they pay for the quality DLC? And there is also the following:
For anyone not understanding why I said about level 10 quality = no other mods needed: Why did I paid for Quality if, I can never have a base that is just covered in quality, and insted, can just use a mod that will offer me the ability to cover my base with items (power lines, roboports, assambles) that make the legendary quality an absoluty joke?
We paid for the DLC, and the devs should add options to let us ajust the parameters of the dlc, to our preference, without "use mods" being the answer
Re: Quality Suggestion
I don't see how paying for the DLC has anything to do with it. It's finite, so is the cost, so not every feature you want is necessarily in it. Was there misleading advertising that suggested you would be able to choose quality ratios? Perhaps you should offer WUBE a retainer agreement and have them prioritize the features you want.
One of the features that is included, that we pay for (in the base game as much so as the DLC) is moddability, so we can customize the game to our liking. That's a pretty nice feature, not every game has it. Also the fact of this forum means you probably have more influence over what gets into the game than most products you will buy. I'm pretty sure an angry/entitled post about what you want will not work better than a respectful one, though.