The Hydra Dilemma - A Coop Factorio Playthrough!

[JoshLittle]

@xterminator:

Use it, please

• Deconstruction planer (bonus: leave it in the place of the toolbelt where it is set to be )
• Fast corners (ok, at the end you found two of them)
• Laser turrets
• Oil barrels for oil storage (ok, the production of barrels could give some trouble now that iron is so short)

12:40 is hard to understand (for me), but I think that was meant to be a comment about my comment which you apparently still misunderstand. But who cares...

For the rest I make a little quiz:

• The stuff in which types of chests are counted in the logistic system?
  provider and storage
• Where is the stuff not counted?
  Examples: Steel/iron/wood/smart/requester chests, while being on transport with robots, before picked up by robots from chests that would normaly count, in the player inventory, in chests outside the reach of the (same or connected) orange area, ...
• How many miners (without modules) are needed to reach the capacity of a slow belt?
  9? It seems to be not a full number. To fill two slow belts 44 miners are around right, but even with a sophisticated compacting technique sometimes it stucks a bit and sometimes there is a single gap. So around 22 miners for one slow belt.
• Which influence has the length of a belt to it's density?
  None!
• If the existing amount of liquid is balanced into a new storage tank, how many additional liquid is all tanks if the new tank "is getting filled up quiet quickly"?
  Short answer: Nothing! Longer answer: shurely are a few units getting pumped in because of the full pipes and the machines at the other end, but not that quickly. After the balancing in a few seconds the amount of free room in the tanks has increased by the room the new tank gives.
• If a slow belt is not completly filled, how many more stuff is transported after every tile of the belt is made out of fast belts?
  Nothing! Speed doubles, density halves, same amount of stuff is arriving at the end as before! If more stuff should arrive, put more of it on the belt. That's the only way!
• What is a bigger waste of ressources? To make
  fast corners
  or to
  speed up the whole belt
  ?
  A fast corner is never a waste of material. A faster belt most of the time.

Bonus question with a pic:

What difference makes the insertion of this splitter

Answer

None!

[n9103]

Definitely coming off a bit caustic there JL.

Also, neither of those belts in the pics is actually balanced, they're just resistant to overflow on one of the sides.

[ssilk]

Wrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... <2st gear> wwwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.... <3rd gear> WWWWwwrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr... <full brake> iiiiieeeeeeeek....

A big biter in blue uniform is standing at the side of the road and winks with a red blinking dipper to halt the car.
He comes along to my side.

He is speaking with a quite deep voice, a bit difficult to unterstand: "Bitaaa polissss... cann youuu pleassss giff meee yoooo driffing leisssssensss?"
Me: "Ahh... aehhhhmmm... uhhh, ah... ww-wwhat?"
Biter policeman: "Yooo drifffing leissssensss! Pleassssssssss."
"Ahm. Yes, Sir. Of course.", I begin to dig around in your car... 'This car has just too many stacks', I think. "Any problem with my car? It was just repaired some minutes ago!?", I ask, while I'm searching the papers.
"Noooo prrrrrobleeem. Routineeee cheeekkkk."

Successfully I found my Factorio Player Licence.

"Here it is", you said and gives it to the biter policeman. You notice his name plate, 'Biter Policeofficer Mr. Skkkaaaaaaaszzzrzzzzshhsh', "... Officer Skkkaazzzzsshhhhhhhh."
"Skkkaaaaaaaszzzrzzzzshhsh", he corrects me "Butttt no prrrrobleeem, mosssst huuumaaaannn caaanottt sppeeeekkkk theee shoooorrrrt 'r'."
Then he watches my licence carefully. "Thissss leisssensss isssn vaaaaalliiid anymore.", and he eats the license. "Pleassss gooo off carrrr!"
I jumped out of the car, fast enough, before the biter policeman begans to eat it.

After he was finished with that, he told me, that with multiplayer there where too many car-accidents, so that the developers had changed the rules: The Factorio Player Licence is now not longer enough to drive with the car. To drive a car it is needed to re-make the Factorio player licence 2.0 and the new Factorio Driving Licence, Class C, which allows me to drive a car - the tank needs class T and costs much, much more - I cannot afford it now.

Btw: Here are some of the questions, they asked me for the Factorio Player Licence. I hope that helps, when you need to re-make your licences.

PS: Now I'm again allowed to play this game!! But it was hard, I need to watch about 25 hours of some obscure series on youtube to learn all the answers to the questions...

[DerivePi]

I need to watch about 25 hours of some obscure series on youtube to learn all the answers to the questions...

Well, when you're done watching your obscure series on youtube, you should come back and rewatch the Hydra Dilemma

[FishSandwich]

Lmao, ssilk, where did that come from? Best post in the topic.

[Junion]

Ok he gets a few claps from me for that too ...

He he he thank you for some needed levity .

[FKODgaming]

New video: http://youtu.be/4afqs_H3vY0

Sorry about the mic quality. My audio producer has been canned.

Thanks for watching!

[Junion]

FKOD: Nice work on getting the quick and easy fix to the problem you were dropped off at, I personally hate robots going that long a distance for something that constantly needs to be done, but its a quick fix, with that said, on to what the rest of your episode was pretty much about.

Yeah its needed

At this point I forget who it was, but in an earlier post I went over some of the logistics of setting up an iron thing. But let me go ahead and repeat some of it. Because this is stuff to seriously think about. On the other hand ya'll might be so close to rocket defense, setting up a new iron spot may not be needed to win. But lets begin.

First I'm considering the no 'big changes' to stuff you have in place rules. Due to that, altering the current dropoff to allow iron ore to be processed may be close to impossible. As you would need to change the copper dropoff to not auto feed into the copper line, and instead somehow sort iron out of the copper in order to make it work. Now if you're willing for some changes, you could set up some robots to help with the work. Um I'm tryin got not tell you how to do it exactly....otherwise I'd say how to set that up.

However a second option is to make an iron only dropoff, perhaps using the current iron feed from that small patch to take it up to the iron smelters. But then you would be dealing with the logistics of making sure trainers don't block each other going up and down the paths. It'd take some thinking but it is doable...it may also required dual train tracks at some points..if for no other reason than to allow trains to pass each other.

Finally, a quick solution to the iron shortages..may be to use long inserters to take from the backed up line...and feed to the furnaces that arn't getting as much ore. though that might just get rid of the backup..and then you wind up back at square one.

Interesting episode..but everyone is starting to get a bit listless..not sure what to do..how to do it, etc. Unless they come in with a frame of mind to 'blow up some alien scum'.

[n9103]

Junion

Setting up the base train station to unload iron without significantly altering the existing setup would be quite simple.
Simply have a station on the left side that only picks up iron ore. The inserters on the right already filter out copper only.
With the secondary iron field belts not being far from the station, wouldn't even have to worry about the routing very much, just some simple optimizing once the flow is established.
Actually, the only real problem with the current system would be getting the 1st copper wagon to stop accepting empty barrels. :p

FKOD

Where was the artillery? Or do you just like sounding tactical for no reason?

[Zengief]

I am just waiting for the moment when the two short oil trains stop running well because one engine ins't getting fueled anymore.

[n9103]

Heh, indeed. Fortunately, for them, they were using full loads of solid fuel.

[Junion]

N9103

Well I'm thinking of 'doing it right'. That is making it so all engines are properly fueled, and cargo is properly unloaded into the right area. As well as return cargo is only loaded to those places that need it. Setting things up so the second cargo of a train gets unloaded only (and of course loaded) and only on one side by iron ore..seems a very much 'way too much work for too little gain' type situation. I spose a good solution to that might be to extend the oil train on that side, and fill the second cargo with iron ore there. It'd fit into it, and then the back engine would finally be getting fuel..I spose that's a pretty good way to handle it. Though would only work for dual stations like that.

But I'm thinking pretty far ahead, again probably well after the series is over. When they need to move iron by itself. Which isn't as big an issue for them I know, but I tend to think of future proofing, at least to a small degree. And its why I honestly suggest just making an iron ore station by itself. Though given my druther's I'd just

Have oil go to its own station, and rejigger the current stop to just take off the train into active providers, and set up storage chests nearby for overflow, while there are requester chests used to feed the 'entry belts'. That'd be my quick fix.

Huh a spoiler within a spoiler imagine that (I hid it because I'm trying to not 'give away' too much of what could be done without warnings.)

[FKODgaming]

FKOD

Where was the artillery? Or do you just like sounding tactical for no reason?

I was referring to how close we are getting to the end of the series.

[n9103]

Well, the term doesn't really have anything to do with reaching a conclusion.
"The End is Nigh" or somesuch would be much more applicable.

Pardon my nit-picking, but I've a background in artillery, and that's a term you don't want to hear, since it can lead to fratricide.

[FKODgaming]

Well, the term doesn't really have anything to do with reaching a conclusion.
"The End is Nigh" or somesuch would be much more applicable.

Pardon my nit-picking, but I've a background in artillery, and that's a term you don't want to hear, since it can lead to fratricide.

Actually, I do as well. I was FDC for 10 years. Small world. I was just playing on the fact that it's getting close, and it's 'rocket artillery' and all that. I promise I wasn't trying to annoy you, though. If I was going to do that, I would say "repeat" over and over.

[n9103]

Well, the term doesn't really have anything to do with reaching a conclusion.
"The End is Nigh" or somesuch would be much more applicable.

Pardon my nit-picking, but I've a background in artillery, and that's a term you don't want to hear, since it can lead to fratricide.

Actually, I do as well. I was FDC for 10 years. Small world. I was just playing on the fact that it's getting close, and it's 'rocket artillery' and all that. I promise I wasn't trying to annoy you, though. If I was going to do that, I would say "repeat" over and over.

[ssilk]

Lmao, ssilk, where did that come from? Best post in the topic.

Some thoughts going on in the background of my mind since this post https://forums.factorio.com/forum/vie ... ice#p17555

[JoshLittle]

Definitely coming off a bit caustic there JL.

Also, neither of those belts in the pics is actually balanced, they're just resistant to overflow on one of the sides.

...

The belts are not balanced? Really? What is the definition of balanced belts for you? Try to count the items on the four upgoing tiles (between corners) after the marked splitter. For me that is 6-6-6-6, so even the lines are balanced (in this moment). Try to compare it to 4 tiles of the right leg of the splitter (=the incoming belt from the bottom; left leg is not in the picture to count anything). The right leg has much more stuff on in than the left leg. So the marked splitter has already balanced it.

[Martc]

Yeah its needed

Finally, a quick solution to the iron shortages..may be to use long inserters to take from the backed up line...and feed to the furnaces that arn't getting as much ore. though that might just get rid of the backup..and then you wind up back at square one.

I don't know why everyone think that cleaning the belt will improve the situation. If right output of splitter is blocked all ore is going to left output, where is completely consumed before it reaches end.
So adding long inserters just cause that more ore will go to right and fewer to left, no improvement at all. I don't count very very short improvement on the start, it don't even worth the material used to build long inserters.

[JoshLittle]

@martc: Never heared of infectums "drive it around the block to make it more"-trick?