Ban quality modules from asteroid crushers

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Re: Ban quality modules from asteroid crushers

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coffee-factorio wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:02 pm
evandy wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 8:49 pm
Exponentially increasing difficulty? Wow, that's the first time I've ever heard that about vanilla factorio, but I guess it depends how you measure difficulty?
The better one I think, is science costs. Purple science is something else when you realize it's asking you for 10 rails a second for a unit, and compare that to the cost of everything else that came before it. And that's combined with the individual cost of the research. Normally though, only damage upgrades follow an exponential track. Mining productivity is linear. It is beautiful game design though, because it is a manageable task.
Yeah, depends how you are calculating difficulty. I do not equate an ever increasing volume of throughput as an increase in difficulty. It just means we need to make a bigger factory. But it's not a more complicated factory - just more copies of the same thing.
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Re: Ban quality modules from asteroid crushers

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evandy wrote: Sat Aug 16, 2025 9:42 pm Yeah, depends how you are calculating difficulty. I do not equate an ever increasing volume of throughput as an increase in difficulty. It just means we need to make a bigger factory. But it's not a more complicated factory - just more copies of the same thing.
Well, the thing is, you can't really rely on copy and paste till you have a robot work force. Which you need chemical science for. So that's how this works, you have the challenge of scaling a factory, but if you put the effort in you get an increase in capability. If you do, you don't just get bots to do it, it's cliff explosives and the works.

When I see big jumps in capability like that, I feel like the 300% productivity schemes are more related to that kind of balancing. Rerolling is good for some things (it's a least a start with sulfur). But if there's something else that provides that huge lever and it's being missed, it raises some questions on if it's functioning as intended.
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