[0.12.x][v0.12.10] Bob's Logistics mod

[aklesey1]

Questions

1) Why u don't using frames and rotors or may be your analogs of these elements - for storage tanks - like in dytech now? its more logical, if we want things to be realistic
Personally I don't mind building up long chains for recipes
Idea with dytech cobalt is really unlucky, not as much as it might seem at first look
Now its offtop, but i sure cobalt plates and cobalt steel from dytech can be used for somewhere in another recipies if u solve to use that
After reading a bit about the cobalt I saw that this material is durable, now i can understand dysoch solution

2)

The reason why I don't use cobalt plates and DyTech does is that I'm using Realistic Cobalt, and he's using Mythical cobalt.

What did u mean when you said mythical? I don't want to argue with you, but I'm curious why you think so

[Takezu]

Rotors and Frames in Tanks are not a bit more real. Ever seen a Oiltank? it's a damn metalsheet cylinder with a circle that floats on the liquid as roof and conections for pipes.

Dytechs intermediats are mainly to raise the effort and price of the endproduct, and in my opinion not seldom unnecessary, like a frame with 15 circuts for a Steelfurnace that itself isn't really much more than a steelpipe under which burns a fire. Why? Can that thing suddenly communicate with earth?

The second thing is, Cobalt is mostly an alloy-element or used as sulfat, oxid and so on in paint, "Cobaltplates" or the Metal itself isn't really use in modern technic.

[bobingabout]

I do plan to add a few extra intermediates to the mining drills, but other than that, I have very few changes planned for building entities.

[aklesey1]

Rotors and Frames in Tanks are not a bit more real. Ever seen a Oiltank? it's a damn metalsheet cylinder with a circle that floats on the liquid as roof and conections for pipes.

Dytechs intermediats are mainly to raise the effort and price of the endproduct, and in my opinion not seldom unnecessary, like a frame with 15 circuts for a Steelfurnace that itself isn't really much more than a steelpipe under which burns a fire. Why? Can that thing suddenly communicate with earth?

The second thing is, Cobalt is mostly an alloy-element or used as sulfat, oxid and so on in paint, "Cobaltplates" or the Metal itself isn't really use in modern technic.

Okey thanks for the explanation about cobalt using )))

[bobingabout]

I'm fairly sure I explained the cobalt recently, about how it is an alloy metal, and DyTech's use of it is along the lines of Mythical(Unrealistic) metals, like Mythril, Adamantite, and Unobtainium. it must have been in a different topic.

[dark angel]

uh hi i don't know why but some reason i'm getting bug the recipe id brass-pipe with if i have dytech active i have ur latest version you said witch should fix the problem but it didn't work for me.

[Buggi]

I had that same brass-pipe problem.

How I fixed it was thusly:

In migrations\boblogistics_0.1.1.lua:

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--  if force.technologies["zinc-processing"] then
--    if force.technologies["zinc-processing"].researched then
--      force.recipes["brass-pipe"].enabled = true
--      force.recipes["brass-pipe-to-ground"].enabled = true
--    end
--  end

Note the -- for code that is commented out!

And in prototypes\technology-updates.lua:

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if data.raw.technology["lava-smelting-06"] then
  table.insert(data.raw.technology["lava-smelting-06"].effects,{type = "unlock-recipe", recipe = "bronze-pipe"})
  table.insert(data.raw.technology["lava-smelting-06"].effects,{type = "unlock-recipe", recipe = "bronze-pipe-to-ground"})

--  table.insert(data.raw.technology["lava-smelting-06"].effects,{type = "unlock-recipe", recipe = "brass-pipe"})
--  table.insert(data.raw.technology["lava-smelting-06"].effects,{type = "unlock-recipe", recipe = "brass-pipe-to-ground"})
end

Note the -- commented out lines.

This fixed the issue, although you cannot build brass pipes, there are plenty of other options.

[Takezu]

Problem with that is, brass pipe is in one of the MK2 Machines requierd, not being able to build them blocks not only the MK2 it blocks the whole line.

[Buggi]

Oh, yeah, I'm not using Dytech machines as Bob adds higher tiers already.

[bobingabout]

If the brass-pipe item doesn't exist, my recipe will try to use something else instead, most likely iron pipe.

I'm going to have to look into this. add more safeguards, change some others...

[Takezu]

I've noticed an oddity with your MK2 and 3 Trains.
Either that or my system is crappy as hell.

I've updatet round about 12 trains form standart vanilla to MK2
and my game update went down from 59 to 50. Checking the f5 debugging shows that the
Entityupdate is significant higher?

I didn't changed the cargos is that part of the problem?

ANd yes i've only changed the trains, thats why i'm wondering
i thought your MK's where only the standart train with more speed an a fuel slot
never thought it would have any kind of impact on the UPS.

[Buggi]

Quick question, why didn't you include "Smart" variations of the express inserters? There has been many times I needed them.

[bobingabout]

The Express inserters were originally going to be smart, before I realised you can't just place them and have them do their job without setting them up.

The inserters I've already added are enough of a flood that I didn't really want to add more than I already have, so I made it so you basically have the choice between Smarts, or dumb speed.

[killwort]

Well, I've a use for express smart inserters too.
Imagine following layout (I use stuff like that as a template for drone construction):

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-----   -----
|Ass|<R>|Ass|
|emb|>P<|emb|
|ler|<R>|ler|
-----   -----

<> are inserters, P is provider chest, R is requester chest. Provider chest is connected with local wire network to smart inserters putting into it, and smart inserters are limited to put no more than several stacks of product.

When your assemblers are normal (even MK6) smart inserters can keep up with production output, even if you producing, say, iron gears with base rate 1 item/0.5 sec.
However, when you use speed (MK8)/god (MK5) modules output chain becomes the main bottleneck. On input side I put express inserters, as they "know" what assebmler demands and provide good throughput (20 items/sec?), and on the output I'm stuck with smart inserters with 4 items/0.5 sec performance. Assembler MK6 fully fitted with MK5 god modules has speed somewhere around 40 and capable of making something like 100 gears/sec (actually slower, 20-50/sec, as game engine doesn't allow to produce that fast - there would be stoppages caused by input inserters reaction time and assembler production delays).

[Takezu]

You could also space the assemblers and the chest one space more out and use smart longhandet and smart long in standart inserter in double row.
doubles your output.

[bobingabout]

Yeah, you can use long, and long in short out inserters to use twice as many inserters on each side. You can also use more than one side of the machine.

[snoopydude]

Bob,

I am brand new to your mods. I wanted to know how the robochests are supposed to be used. Is there a wiki for your mods? Thanks for your help. Your mods look really good, both content and graphics. Thanks for making them.

[Takezu]

Robochest is like a roboport, but without a Supply an construction area. You can use logistic zone expander to set both areas.

[factorio]

Hello,

this happens very often with all kind of materials, ores, plates etc.

sometimes it helps if items are picked manually from tunnel entrance but after a while it could jam again. however if it's first goes through blue tunnel, it normally works with faster tunnels without problems.



factorio 0.11.8
bob's logistics 0.1.5 (and all other bob's mods, latests versions)

thanks for awesome mods!

[bobingabout]

Bob,

I am brand new to your mods. I wanted to know how the robochests are supposed to be used. Is there a wiki for your mods? Thanks for your help. Your mods look really good, both content and graphics. Thanks for making them.

Robochests, one of the few graphics I actually made myself :3
Place them inside an existing robo-logistics zone as defined by a roboport, or Logistic Zone Expander (LZE) and it will link in with the network. Then it basically acts as a robot storage area, with a single charging port. You can store lots more robots in one of these, and is much smaller in size than a full roboport.