$50 DLC and no sale is disappointing

[Crookedvulture]

It is not my responsibility to reiterate what’s already been covered and explained in the thread. If people don’t understand how being disappointed with a games price point in conjunction with no sale (and the justification for no sales) != asking for a lower game price, then that’s a them problem. Potentially also a problem with their respective education systems.

It appears that your comment adds nothing to the discussion

Yours certainly didn’t so your point is?

[Shulmeister]

Yours certainly didn’t so your point is?

I was trying to get to the bottom of your argument

what's the point of sales if not making the game cheaper ?

[Crookedvulture]

Yours certainly didn’t so your point is?

I was trying to get to the bottom of your argument

what's the point of sales if not making the game cheaper ?

Again, your assertion is that having a problem with no sales == wanting a cheaper game. I’ve stated it is not and the reasoning for it. You can disagree if you like but thats your choice. Sales or discounts obviously make a game temporarily cheaper. That is not the point. If you’re going to continue to contribute nothing new to the discussion then I’m not going to bother continuing the discussion with you.

Edit: If you truly want “to get to the bottom of my argument” read the thread. I’ll give you a hint, it begins with “this has largely been my view/point” and inconsistency with the devs stated reasoning.

[mmmPI]

what's the point of sales if not making the game cheaper ?

It was addressed already !

sales are advertisement techniques designed to take advantage of customers by instillating a feeling of emergency induced by the short window of opportunity to make a "cheap" purchase leading to irrationnal purchases because I thought this was comon knowledge. It's not really worth adressing it i thought. You clearly seem to be only seeing sales as temporary cheaper price, hence my TL DR that you want sales for cheaper game for yourself, not because you want Wube to use commercial practices that are targetting vulnerable individuals.

Though, the concept proposed where the sales != lower price is quite new to me and may be worth considering, i'm not sure it would work very well, and to be fair i'm not seeing the point so far.

[Shulmeister]

Edit: If you truly want “to get to the bottom of my argument” read the thread. I’ll give you a hint, it begins with “this has largely been my view/point” and inconsistency with the devs stated reasoning.

But a problem with that is that price/cost is not the same for everyone. Price/cost are to some degree subjective. So... there IS no ultimate/objective "now it's worth it" point. The game will remain "not worth it" for many people.

Basically, by never reducing price, you are removing some potential buyers from the buyer pool. Wube will never have their money, and they will never have Wube's game. It's lose/lose. So... it seems wrong to me in that sense.

Yeah this has largely been my view/point so I appreciate someone actually understanding. Especially the lose/lose part. Too bad a lot of people here missed that tripping over themselves to lecture or make themselves feel better. I've also seen a decent amount of complaints about game design choices that I don't disagree with, so most of my initial desire for Space Age has largely waned. Again, maybe I'll get it one day, if I'm ever stuck for a game to play but I have less time to play these days and a small backlog still to get through so who knows. Base game and mods has more than enough to scratch the itch when I do get the urge for some Factorio.

This sound exactly like sales = cheaper price for me, but yet you claimed it's not the case, that's why I asked again to make sure there was not another reason you may have forgotten.

Are you advocating like mmmPI suggest that Wube should have more aggressive commercial practices to increase their sales at the risk of increasing negative feedback ? Just for you to have the game cheaper ? or it has nothing to do with the price ? that last past is unclear.

[Crookedvulture]

what's the point of sales if not making the game cheaper ?

It was addressed already !

Appreciate it. I apologise for interpreting your later post as looking for an argument. Edited: Guess they were, I take it back.

I’ll point out I’ve not stated sale != cheaper games. I've stated taking issue with the game never having sales (and the provided reason) != wanting a cheaper game. I’ve stated my issues are perceive value vs price, deviation from marketing norms and (imo) what feels like artificial premium I.e. my previous reference to Nintendo.

I haven't delved again into how sales are advertisement techniques designed to take advantage of customers by instillating a feeling of emergency induced by the short window of opportunity to make a "cheap" purchase leading to irrationnal purchases because I thought this was comon knowledge. It's not really worth adressing it i thought. You clearly seem to be only seeing sales as temporary cheaper price, hence my TL DR that you want sales for cheaper game for yourself, not because you want Wube to use commercial practices that are targetting vulnerable individuals.

I was just saying that you are not convincing me with your comparaison with other games since you said you haven't bought space age yet, it is bound to make a one leg comparaison to know if it's worth or not. ( unlike as you said the people who tested the game ). This is not one of the narrow reason you mentionned in your initial post, hence why i wanted to express it.

I’d also say they benefit sales benefit commercial entities for multiple reasons beyond FOMO (which I also disagree with as a practice), including increasing sales volume, increasing customer base and competing with other title. The latter of which practically doesn’t apply to Wube because of how unique Factorio is. I'd also point out that even if it's an aside, I can determine at least for myself, whether a game is "worth it" due to watching videos of gameplay, seeing what the dev has stated is in the expansion and by being able to compare it to the base game. I'm fine if others don't agree but that is my viewpoint.

Edited. I'm largely going in circles here, as people try to claim that I simply "want a cheaper game"; and having my multiple issues with SA's pricing misrepresented into being that one point. You're free to think that I'm being a cheap arse but as I've said that isn't the issue. I can buy the game full price if I like, but decided to buy other games instead as they seemed worth their price while SA does not. Maybe my opinion on that will change but currently it has not. I'm not interested in arguing semantics any further. As each time I provide a reason for one of my points, you and others rapidly pivot to another. I think I've made my reasoning and issues with SA's pricing abundantly clear and that it spans beyond simply "wanting the game to be cheaper".

[mmmPI]

I’ll point out I’ve not stated sale != cheaper games.

you did :

It is not my responsibility to reiterate what’s already been covered and explained in the thread. If people don’t understand how being disappointed with a games price point in conjunction with no sale (and the justification for no sales) != asking for a lower game price, then that’s a them problem. Potentially also a problem with their respective education systems.

[Shulmeister]

you did :

This is incorrect, CrookedVulture actually tries to claim the opposite, that asking for sale is not asking for cheaper price, instead it is pretending that the disapointment from the price tag comes from the idea that Wube is missing on the opportunity to extend its player base.

[mmmPI]

you did :

This is incorrect, CrookedVulture actually tries to claim the opposite, that asking for sale is not asking for cheaper price, instead it is pretending that the disapointment from the price tag comes from the idea that Wube is missing on the opportunity to extend its player base.

That level of bad faith is quite unusual to me sorry i think i'm out x) Like why not write it in the first post instead ?

[Crookedvulture]

you did :

This is incorrect, CrookedVulture actually tries to claim the opposite, that asking for sale is not asking for cheaper price, instead it is pretending that the disapointment from the price tag comes from the idea that Wube is missing on the opportunity to extend its player base.

That level of bad faith is quite unusual to me sorry i think i'm out x) Like why not write it in the first post instead ?

It seems like you are quite familiar with "that" level of bad faith given you entered the discussion putting words in my mouth and attempting to claim I was reviewing a game I never played. It wasn't in the first post because I've had to justify my position down to an atomic level to you and every other person who disagrees with my opinion. Again, that's how forums work. By all means "be out" though as you're not contributing anything and like others are only entering the discussion using pretence of wanting to "understand my views" to continue to argue with me about my opinion. As I did mention in the first post, classic fanboy behaviour. Good riddance.

[Shulmeister]

That level of bad faith is quite unusual to me sorry i think i'm out x) Like why not write it in the first post instead ?

I have to agree. It makes no sense to me to be advocating for sale while taking it as an offense when other people say it's about making the game cheaper.

[meganothing]

Maybe a thought experiment might clear up the misunderstandings: Assume Wube didn't participate in sales but reduced the price each month by 10 cent. So in 10 years it would be 12 Euros/Dollars/whatever cheaper. A prospective buyer could then evaluate what the game was worth to him, or what he can afford, and buy it at the time it reaches that price.

I do this with other games all the time: I play the demo of a game or read about it and may say that I would buy it immediately. Or I am only mildy interested or unsure and would say it isn't worth more than 10 Euros to me so I'll wait until it is available for that price. On the other hand if I am only mildly interested in a game, should I even buy it, even at reduced price? This seems more of a luxury problem.

The other reason for making the game cheaper eventually is that there are people who simply can't afford games at such a price. They probably don't have 200 games in their library either. They probably will never play Factorio but instead some other game because that may have cost 50 at the start but is now available for just 5 Euros.

The counter-argument is: Do they need to? There are so many games around, take your pick. Most people also will never own a Rolex and while it is worth fighting inequity, it isn't worth fighting it so poor people can own one.

[mmmPI]

Clearly OP stated not being interested by the game content, although not in the first post again. OP also claims it's not about making the game cheaper but it makes no sense to ask for sales and complain about the price is disappointing at the same time. So clearly it's about a cheaper price request.

But then i can only imagine that if the game had been on sale OP would have bought it. And when reading that the game content isn't interesting for OP "after all". It is only logical to me to consider OP is one of the vulnerable person that could/would have bought something because "it"s temporarily cheaper". And not because of a reasonable desire to purchae a game. Illustrating quite well the purpose of the "sales" for companies that uses them.

It doesn't seem worth it to me to lower the price of your game to entice customer with such behavior.

[meganothing]

Clearly OP stated not being interested by the game content, although not in the first post again.

He stated (in different words) that he has less interest in the game than the price tag that deters him, "less" is not the same as "0".

OP also claims it's not about making the game cheaper but it makes no sense to ask for sales and complain about the price is disappointing at the same time. So clearly it's about a cheaper price request.

But then i can only imagine that if the game had been on sale OP would have bought it. And when reading that the game content isn't interesting for OP "after all". It is only logical to me to consider OP is one of the vulnerable person that could/would have bought something because "it"s temporarily cheaper". And not because of a reasonable desire to purchae a game. Illustrating quite well the purpose of the "sales" for companies that uses them.

It doesn't seem worth it to me to lower the price of your game to entice customer with such behavior.

I agree that his motivation is probably largely one of self-interest. But I also think he wouldn't have bought it just because it is **temporarily** cheaper, he simply has a price in mind that the DLC is worth to him. And if the game were ever offered at a lower price than that he would buy it, temporary or not.

And I would call that a reasonable desire for purchasing a game. Just like I have a reasonable desire to buy a new GPU once in a while. But I would not want to pay $2000 for a GPU, my maximum price for a GPU currently is at about $500.
Luckily GPUs are a commodity that is offered at different prices, unlike a game which sometimes has no substitute available but is a singular piece of art.

[mmmPI]

I agree that his motivation is probably largely one of self-interest.

That makes it the only point i agree then

That's what i said in my first post actually :

You didn't bought the game because you said it was too expensive for you and been asking, several time for the game to be cheaper.

But OP denies the second part despite :

It’s hard for me to bitch about because frankly I don’t think it’s that much overpriced and it’s largely due to local pricing.

That would make sense, were I an inanimate object unable to tell you that I categorically have not asked once for it to be cheaper. I have stated I don't think it is worth it's full price and disagree with the stated reasoning behind the no sale policy.

I should have used the word that OP used, didn't asked for the price to be cheaper but instead "bitched" about it , which is "categorically not asking for the price to be cheaper", just "complaining" about it, wanting sales, but not for the cheaper price, to help Wube expand playerbase ( sic).

That's why i said i'm out , the bad faith level with this one is way too high. But i have no problem discussing it with other people x)

[Crookedvulture]

Clearly OP stated not being interested by the game content, although not in the first post again.

He stated (in different words) that he has less interest in the game than the price tag that deters him, "less" is not the same as "0".

OP also claims it's not about making the game cheaper but it makes no sense to ask for sales and complain about the price is disappointing at the same time. So clearly it's about a cheaper price request.

But then i can only imagine that if the game had been on sale OP would have bought it. And when reading that the game content isn't interesting for OP "after all". It is only logical to me to consider OP is one of the vulnerable person that could/would have bought something because "it"s temporarily cheaper". And not because of a reasonable desire to purchae a game. Illustrating quite well the purpose of the "sales" for companies that uses them.

It doesn't seem worth it to me to lower the price of your game to entice customer with such behavior.

I agree that his motivation is probably largely one of self-interest. But I also think he wouldn't have bought it just because it is **temporarily** cheaper, he simply has a price in mind that the DLC is worth to him. And if the game were ever offered at a lower price than that he would buy it, temporary or not.

And I would call that a reasonable desire for purchasing a game. Just like I have a reasonable desire to buy a new GPU once in a while. But I would not want to pay $2000 for a GPU, my maximum price for a GPU currently is at about $500.
Luckily GPUs are a commodity that is offered at different prices, unlike a game which sometimes has no substitute available but is a singular piece of art.

I just want to say thank you. You and a handful of people in this thread who've attempted to understand my position, even if you may disagree, without attempting to belittle me for it, JAQing off or putting words in my mouth has been refreshing for my view on this community. You also raise good point in support of Wube's policy RE sales; you're a commendable and valuable addition to this community.