Legendary Yumako & Jelly Nut Seeds should grow legendary plants

[Noxissist]

This one is fairly self explanatory, legendary quality seeds should create legendary quality trees, which produce legendary quality jellynuts and legendary quality yamako.

Same for the other quality tiers.

[jaylawl]

It isn't possible, because that would mean you just need 1 legendary seed each to have an infinite supply of any legendary quality item that can be made with those. It would be akin to having an ore patch from which you will mine 100 % legendary ore.

[Tinyboss]

Exactly. As soon as you recycle up a single pentapod egg, you'd have an unending supply of those. Together with infinite 100% legendary bioflux, so now all your ag science is legendary forever. Absolutely broken.

Higher quality seeds could do something like increase yield or reduce growing time, though. You end up with an enormous surplus, so it would feel better to do something other than dump them into the fire.

[Noxissist]

Gleba is also the most complicated and difficult planet in terms of spoilable products, so why shouldn't it have the biggest reward?

Sure, you will start getting an infinite supply of legendary materials, but that is the point, the player has worked their way all the way through the tech tree, setup a base, and at the moment, all gleba is good for is a bit of agri science.

I wanted to find a way to start producing legendary plastic, and if the legendary seeds made legendary plants then Gleba would have a purpose again, because otherwise I could just cheese infinite legendary plastic in other ways (for example high LDS productivity with LDS recycling, ala Nilaus).

The devs most likely didn't intend to punish anyone by making the game excessively difficult in stupid ways, and since there are so many ways to get infinite legendary materials, it would be cool to have some legendary materials source without cheesing some productivity mechanic.

The yield on seeds is also very low, so to start gathering enough legendary seeds to make legendary plants, which also have a very low seed yield rate would make the process a lot like Kovarex Enrichment where a threshold amount of input products needs to be built up before the self sustaining loop starts.

[CyberCider]

Gleba is also the most complicated and difficult planet in terms of spoilable products, so why shouldn't it have the biggest reward?

Sure, you will start getting an infinite supply of legendary materials, but that is the point, the player has worked their way all the way through the tech tree, setup a base, and at the moment, all gleba is good for is a bit of agri science.

Well, that’s not true, Gleba exports bioflux. Which is needed for biter eggs on Nauvis and biochambers on Vulcanus. You could argue it’s even more important than Vulcanus, because some really determined people would probably be willing to source all their calcite from asteroids instead of shipping it from Vulcanus. I personally consider it a silly idea, but I’m sure someone out there would seriously consider it.

Also, the problem with legendary seeds compared to other methods of making legendary base materials is the fact that it simply produces too much. It 1:1 converts all your Gleba production to legendary. Other methods produce smaller amounts, and need to be scaled up in order to be useful. This would just let you legendarify your whole Gleba base, without making any changes to it. It’s far too easy and far too simple.

I’m also not the biggest fan of some methods that currently exist, but they’re all leagues more balanced than this. They at least require you to sink a large amount of science packs into productivity infinite technologies, and to set up a recycling loop of some kind.

[yangbowen1028]

Exactly. As soon as you recycle up a single pentapod egg, you'd have an unending supply of those. Together with infinite 100% legendary bioflux, so now all your ag science is legendary forever. Absolutely broken.

Not only agricultural science, but bacteria->ore->everything.

Higher quality seeds could do something like increase yield or reduce growing time, though. You end up with an enormous surplus, so it would feel better to do something other than dump them into the fire.

Or perhaps less spores per harvest?

[The Phoenixian]

I honestly thought this myself a few times while playing through Gleba. In the end I'm still torn.

On the one hand, Selective breeding for quality is very, very in theme for what was described as "the agricultural planet."

On the other hand, it does feel like the mechanics of quality aren't at all geared towards how that should work. Selective breeding fits something that would be hard to get in initial batches and easy to scale, where quality is conversely relatively easy to get and hard to scale.

If it was tied to a both the seeds and agricultural towers planting needing to be of a certain quality to net trees of that quality that might work, but even then it feels like there might be a more appropriate challenge.

[angramania]

Gleba is also the most complicated and difficult planet in terms of spoilable products, so why shouldn't it have the biggest reward?

Because it is already the most rewarding of three planets.

Your idea is not new and was already discussed several times

[Chumfactor]

Suggestion: Planting quality seeds should yeild quality trees that bear quality fruit, which can be processed into more quality products, including seeds.

It seems that, currently, quality on Gleba is strictly percentage-chance.

My thoughts unfolded as...

Do trees planted with quality seeds produce quality fruit? Can that be used to make quality mash/jelly, from which is made quality bioflux? Etc.

Do we need quality soil and a quality tree-planter too?

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Hmm, seeds don't have quality, but Yumako fruit & mash does, as does jelly & bioflux. So, is there no way to do it on-purpose, it's all just % chance stuff?

Would be cool to make quality plastic / iron / copper / etc on Gleba.

[mmmPI]

similar to 124678

[jaylawl]

It seems that, currently, quality on Gleba is strictly percentage-chance.

All quality production is based on chance. If quality seeds would yield quality produce, you would instantly have infinite quality produce, because the chance would be taken out of the equation. This should not be added to the game.

[Chumfactor]

All quality production is based on chance.

This is not true.

* Set an assembly plant's [common] recipe for Rare pipes.
* Feed Rare iron into Assembly plant.
* Get Rare pipes 100% of the time.

You need to jump-start with rare iron, which is gotten randomly but, once you have material, quality production is easy.


More to your real objection -- that of infinite quality resources -- I agree that is an issue. Perhaps quality seeds just add a chance at quality fruit (like quality modules in assembly plants), or some other limiting factor. Regardless, quality fruit still spoils, so that's always a limiter!

[jaylawl]

This is not true.

* Set an assembly plant's [common] recipe for Rare pipes.
* Feed Rare iron into Assembly plant.
* Get Rare pipes 100% of the time.

You need to jump-start with rare iron, which is gotten randomly but, once you have material, quality production is easy.

Yeah, of course. But at this point you already have the quality ingredients, which were gained by chance. I propably could've articulated myself better there.

More to your real objection -- that of infinite quality resources -- I agree that is an issue. Perhaps quality seeds just add a chance at quality fruit (like quality modules in assembly plants), or some other limiting factor. Regardless, quality fruit still spoils, so that's always a limiter!

Quality seeds (or quality modules in agricultural towers for that matter) having a chance to farm quality fruit i would have no objection against. I don't see it as neccessary, but i don't see how that would hurt.

[Koub]

[Koub] Merged into an older thread with the same suggestion.