[2.0.24] Mines can create holes in space platform

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[2.0.24] Mines can create holes in space platform

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See title.

See picture.
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Can even start deleting platform from here.

To recreate.

Place mine.

Place Biter.

Wait.

BOOM.

Observe hole!
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I'm guessing this is intended or a minor issue. It still requires you to expend resources to build a solid platform, so you can't save platform tiles by blueprinting swiss cheese.
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robot256 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:25 pm I'm guessing this is intended or a minor issue. It still requires you to expend resources to build a solid platform, so you can't save platform tiles by blueprinting swiss cheese.
Sure, but you can make your platform lighter, and hence faster (though probably not much faster)
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IsaacOscar wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:22 am
robot256 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:25 pm I'm guessing this is intended or a minor issue. It still requires you to expend resources to build a solid platform, so you can't save platform tiles by blueprinting swiss cheese.
Sure, but you can make your platform lighter, and hence faster (though probably not much faster)
It’s a good thing this isn’t a competitive FPS or something lol. If people really want to go to that length I say let them.
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Watching this thread like a hawk hoping it lands in "Not a Bug," it's genuinely a cool feature for people intending it, and allows for some rebellious creativity.

Maybe the only true bug is that the hole cannot be closed once opened, and might necessitate a new tile-building rule, "if a tile of empty space is enclosed by 8 tiles (orthogonal and diagonal), allow it to be filled"
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Clair wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 11:06 am Watching this thread like a hawk hoping it lands in "Not a Bug," it's genuinely a cool feature for people intending it, and allows for some rebellious creativity.

Maybe the only true bug is that the hole cannot be closed once opened, and might necessitate a new tile-building rule, "if a tile of empty space is enclosed by 8 tiles (orthogonal and diagonal), allow it to be filled"
Nope. won't work unless the hole is only 1 tile big.
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IsaacOscar wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:22 am
robot256 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:25 pm I'm guessing this is intended or a minor issue. It still requires you to expend resources to build a solid platform, so you can't save platform tiles by blueprinting swiss cheese.
Sure, but you can make your platform lighter, and hence faster (though probably not much faster)
If you can have a hole in a platform, you can probably place a thruster in it. It might need to be a very, very long hole, but that appears to be entirely doable.

Cosmoteer players used to place thrusters entirely inside the ship as a matter of course, and given how long platforms in Factorio can get, I suspect the same could happen here.
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The Phoenixian wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:13 pm
IsaacOscar wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 7:22 am
robot256 wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2024 8:25 pm I'm guessing this is intended or a minor issue. It still requires you to expend resources to build a solid platform, so you can't save platform tiles by blueprinting swiss cheese.
Sure, but you can make your platform lighter, and hence faster (though probably not much faster)
If you can have a hole in a platform, you can probably place a thruster in it. It might need to be a very, very long hole, but that appears to be entirely doable.

Cosmoteer players used to place thrusters entirely inside the ship as a matter of course, and given how long platforms in Factorio can get, I suspect the same could happen here.
I haven't tested it, but I doubt you could put a thruster there, as it requires no tiles behind it. For example you can easily create a platform with the shape of an "F", but you won't be able to put thrusters at the bottom of the top bar.
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Re: [2.0.24] Mines can now be used to create space donuts!

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IsaacOscar wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:20 pm I haven't tested it, but I doubt you could put a thruster there, as it requires no tiles behind it. For example you can easily create a platform with the shape of an "F", but you won't be able to put thrusters at the bottom of the top bar.
You can put a thruster there if you just leave enough space vertically (around 90 tiles). For example, see https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... msec_ship/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... spaceship/ .
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Re: [2.0.24] Mines can now be used to create space donuts!

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tsevasa wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:49 pm
IsaacOscar wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 2:20 pm I haven't tested it, but I doubt you could put a thruster there, as it requires no tiles behind it. For example you can easily create a platform with the shape of an "F", but you won't be able to put thrusters at the bottom of the top bar.
You can put a thruster there if you just leave enough space vertically (around 90 tiles). For example, see https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... msec_ship/ or https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comme ... spaceship/ .
That feels like it must be a bug....
Perhaps it would cause too much performance issues to check all the way to the bottom of the platform?
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This would also let you void items anywhere you want on your ship, which can really simplify waste management.

IMO that's a big enough advantage that this probably shouldn't stay, or if it should there should be a clearer and more legitimate way to do it.
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