Gleba has killed the game for me.

[BlueTemplar]

There would be no spoilage with perfect ratios (assuming your production chain isn't ridiculously long), but I think that I see what you mean and I think I agree.

[quineotio]

What do you mean by 'outputs' ? Just put it on a single spoilage-only belt.

Every belt that has spoilable items on it can spoil, so you need an output for each of these. I guess I just like compact designs.

[BlueTemplar]

Ah yes, but that's (almost) completely unavoidable ?
And it seems like you're not calling to use a single sushi belt (or even lane !) either, so?

[quineotio]

I have an output for spoilage in every lane that has spoilable items.

[Khazul]

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I cant help feeling you might have missed a lot with your comment. Not so much specific comment, but the sense I get from them all.

I was initially a little annoyed that I couldnt use certain production building in certain places, or even certain recipes etc, but then I guess the point is to encourage you to set up inter-planetary logistics to deal with it and that is basically what I did. If a planet wasnt good for making something, then I bulk imported it, even if the resulting production chain was to import something, turn it into something else and the re-export it.

I agree Gleba needed to be more progressive perhaps, but really its just realizing that on Gleba power is food, not electricity and that everything organic spoils anywhere.

Other elements - being stuck on islands, not being able to bridge over deep oil initial on Fulgora and needed end game foundation to pave on Fulgora as wierd and annoying if you have a build style that doesnt suit tiny little islands, but the default game setting have always tended to favour little ad-hoc builds rather than larger scale organized builds I think.

As for space platforms, I find them the most involving part in many ways, but that might be because I took them as a circuits challenge to get good fuel efficiency and accurate per-route speed control etc so I have built many ships and most have a lot of circuits on them to control them and came up with a lot of new (as in never seen in searching around internet) stuff along the way.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I get the feeling maybe you didnt really embrace what is there. That's fine, each to their own.

TBH - the most annoying bit was the time spent building up a base yet again before heading off into space. Moving cliff explosives and Artillery off Nauvis was annoying as well as that meant I felt severely cramped by cliffs on Nauvis and ended up pretty much ignoring the biters behind a thick wall instead of clearing them with some artillery. I find that moving those tends to keep your Nauvis based cramped for far too long when really you want to be building at scale ready for space so you can take a load of stuff with you to the planets to jump start bases and production lines. By the time I unlocked Artillery I ceased to case bout using it on Nauvis and in the end only made a couple of them for use on Gelba. They feel moved to almost irrelevance now. Cliff explosive similar in some ways. by the time I have them, I have already frustratingly built around the problem and ended up with a Nauvis setup that is way less clean and organized then usual for that game stage. Most of my frustration are therefore what they did with existing vanilla items rather than how new stuff is presented. I forgot about the Spidertron too - basically because it became too late to be any use as have already learned to live with the lack of it such that by the time it is unlocked, it doesnt matter any more. Same with nukes, by the time you unlock them - there is nothing to bother nuking that you havnt already dealt with by more laborious means.

So yes - enjoyed all the new stuff, but enjoyed FAR less the old vanilla stuff that got moved into space. I think the next playthrough will have mods to reverse at least some of those changes to vanilla items as too many seem to have been pushed into irrelevance.

[MechBFP]

I have an output for spoilage in every lane that has spoilable items.

Ya my Gleba base is an outright mess of belt and underground spaghetti. But at least it worked the first time I turned it on, with only a few tweaks needed here and there for spots I forgot to account for spoilage (like bacteria turning to ore inside the 10% chance machine when the output got blocked, that kind of stuff). Also needed to wait to get more seeds to greatly increase my available plants at both towers.

Now I just need to plan the safest way to shut it down. I currently have my agriculture towers set to a signal that goes to a constant combinator, so with the flick of a switch I can turn off the agriculture towers when I no longer need the base running, that will solve almost everything, although I still need to consider if there is something I can do with the pentapod eggs to keep them alive while the base is shut down for an extended period of time.

[J-H]

Why would you shut it down? Trees are functionally an infinite resource. Like Vulcanus, you can produce for ever and not have any issues. Your spoilage goes into provider chests, which turn it into nutrients in a more stable version of Fulgora's recycling options.

I finally have my Gleba setup running where I'm reasonably happy with it. I have 8 bio chambers producing ag. science, 6 producing pentapod eggs, and was able to remove my nuclear reactor and replace it with a couple of heating towers fueled by bio-created rocket fuel.

Further expansion is pending research or importing some blue belts for higher density movement of yumako mash and jelly.

[BlueTemplar]

I'm guessing that some players might just not want to deal with pentapod's regular egg rafts expanding into the range of your spore cloud ? (Until they are ready to.)

There's a solution to keeping alive pentapod eggs :

craft biochambers using them, later recycle them back into fresh eggs

[MechBFP]

I'm guessing that some players might just not want to deal with pentapod's regular egg rafts expanding into the range of your spore cloud ? (Until they are ready to.)

There's a solution to keeping alive pentapod eggs :

craft biochambers using them, later recycle them back into fresh eggs

I decided instead to just put up electric turrets, rocket turrets. and a whole lot of gun turrets with red ammo around my agriculture towers. All with 8-10 levels of damage research. Will probably be fine.

[Kenosos]

Factorio is my favourite game for years but I've been stuck on Gleba for days, it's honestly heartbreaking and is making me want to just give up and never look at factorio again, I don't really like playing with bots but it feels like this planet is trying to force me in to it, oh well

[J-H]

I am definitely using bots to shuttle bioflux and nutrients around.

[quineotio]

Factorio is my favourite game for years but I've been stuck on Gleba for days, it's honestly heartbreaking and is making me want to just give up and never look at factorio again, I don't really like playing with bots but it feels like this planet is trying to force me in to it, oh well

You'll be ok once it clicks for you.

[MisterDoctor]

I don't really like playing with bots but it feels like this planet is trying to force me in to it, oh well

FWIW I did not use many bots for my setups on Gleba. (I guess I did a little to stabilize some things, but only a little and not for the main setup.)

the main advice I think I could suggest is: don't try to do anything at scale at first. try to make the simplest possible setup that could possibly work. then maybe try to scale it after once you have something actually working. (I think there might be an instinct to setup like 5-10 or more sets of production all at once like one might do on Nauvis but this can just lead to a huge mess when you don't have the right plan yet on Gleba.) in the worst case you might have low throughput, but at least it will work, hopefully.

[aka13]

Without bots you'll have to stick a heating tower at the end of every belt, to deal with potential clog, which will make the builds even clunkier.
But yeah, I only really use bots for the filtered inserter-active-provider unclogger at belts ends. Belts are absolutely viable on Gleba, but YMMV of course.

secrit knowledge

Does not make Gleba less shit or fun, and the gleba with spaceships endgame engaging

[BlueTemplar]

Without bots you'll have to stick a heating tower at the end of every belt

No you don't, and you even hinted at how in your next sentences !

I don't really like playing with bots but it feels like this planet is trying to force me in to it, oh well

FWIW I did not use many bots for my setups on Gleba. (I guess I did a little to stabilize some things, but only a little and not for the main setup.)

the main advice I think I could suggest is: don't try to do anything at scale at first. try to make the simplest possible setup that could possibly work. then maybe try to scale it after once you have something actually working. (I think there might be an instinct to setup like 5-10 or more sets of production all at once like one might do on Nauvis but this can just lead to a huge mess when you don't have the right plan yet on Gleba.) in the worst case you might have low throughput, but at least it will work, hopefully.

Yeah, it's not like we did that on Nauvis the first time we played Factorio... (or the first time we played an overhaul mod)
I'm curious, I do suspect this might be an issue too for some players, but have you actually seen players trying to overbuild like that the first time they got to a brand new planet ?

Also yeah, I'm playing on x4 tech costs, went to Gleba last, and still don't feel like I need to expand production to more than one (slowed down with prodmods !) biochamber for Yumako / AgriScience as I'm nearing Aquilo research.
There's just so much to explore and try out in Space Age !
(Ok, will probably need to expand it soon, when I get around to start exporting other items unique to / or better made on Gleba at the same time as agriscience...)

(I only use logibots for non-spoilable items...
and I guess to cross the one tile from the Agriscience provider chest to the rocket silo, as I didn't want to figure out yet the right logic to use for an inserter for a potentially mixed-use rocket silo.)

[MisterDoctor]

have you actually seen players trying to overbuild like that the first time they got to a brand new planet ?

it's just based on my own experience. my first setup was trying to have 5-10 sets of buildings going at once (and all right at my farm) and this almost worked but was way too unstable. eventually I instead tried the most minimal setup possible (and in a better location) and that turned out to be key to getting things working. (still not perfectly stable but stable enough.)

[adam_bise]

Yea, my first go at Gleba didn't go so hot. I decided to bulldoze my setup and start again, only I was fresh out of nukes..

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[BlueTemplar]

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to hint at with this picture, but note how that says

«burnable fuel»

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[adam_bise]

They all spoiled. Here is the result. Apparently they weren't very happy to see their buddies being made into living science experiments in those bio chambers.

I blame Kovarex. I think he must be the masochist of the group. I imagine this was his idea, and furthermore his idea to make it a recipe for science. All those lines stop moving when your transport platform is en-route

Oh, I'm going to have some fun with this one later

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[BlueTemplar]

Ah yes, this is one of «Oh shit !!» first time moments that Space Age is full of !