read belt content as numeric value?

[Rauschkind]

i have an inserter that gets its filter from a combinator. i want it to put ONE item on a belt ONLY if there is no item on the belt. however, if i connect the belt to the inserter and configure it to enable when everything = 1, it will fail because it will read the one item on the belt and use it to set its own filter.

is there a way to read the numeric value of the belt without an additional combinator? its a really cramped spaceship... i would hate to add another combinator for each of my collector (ex)serters

[Zaflis]

Would this work? Read belt and set it as blacklist filter to inserter, so it will move anything BUT the items on belt. You might not need an enable condition because it shouldn't move anything if they are all blacklisted.

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[Rauschkind]

my goals are:
1: have the collectors fill their internal buffer with 12 of each ore
2: fill ore deliver ore to the central loop around the crushers only when there are less then 6 chunks of a certain type on the loop
3: do not jam the belts leading to the loop with junks that are not requested at the loop.

i dont think the black list would work. it would not stop the inserter to put ore on the feeding belt which might not be requested anymore when it arrives.

man, its really blowing my mind, i am not the most experienced circuit builder XD

ill include a screenshot. i think it will be very hard to understand. i also include the setting window for the central decider and for the inserter.
i will not include the logic for the constant combinator or the combinators controlling the collectors, because these are working.

anyway, *might* work now. hard to tell. it always works a while untill it encounters a condition where it jams up the central loop with to much ore.

edit: nope, it jammed.

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Overview of the circuits

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The central decider

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The inserter taking chunks out of the collector

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the inserter putting stuff on the loop

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state where the item on the belt is fed as filter into the inserter, causing overfilling of the loop

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the blueprint, in case it helps

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[Zaflis]

It's too complicated for me You always have the option to throw excess items out of the platform into space. I fill the belt to the brim with asteroids and throw out the ones that i have most on the whole belt. One selector combinator is enough for that. Later i use the asteroid refining recipe that can convert asteroids to other types, like metal to water and carbon, etc...

[Rauschkind]

yeah, i like this challange

i could not do it without extra combinator for each inserter taking out asteroids from the collector which checks if the belt is empty and only then allows the inserter to work.

i think it has a huge advantage this way. the collector buffer is quite big and i wont have to build as much power if i do not collect what i do not need (collectors cant use efficieny modules, so thats actually quite expensive)