Exclude entity from mining productivity

[KiwiHawk]

Request

I would like to be able to create `mining-drill` prototype that is not affected by mining productivity. It shouldn't be listed in the bonuses gui or in the tooltip for Mining Productivity research.

Background

In the upcoming version of Angel's Refining, we are adding a new Offshore Pump that can be affected by modules. For when players need very large quantities of water. We are doing this by spawning a resource and swapping out the placed custom `offshore-pump` for our `mining-drill` entity.

We don't want mining productivity to apply to this entity. There doesn't seem to be any way of achieving this currently.

[Qon]

Background

In the upcoming version of Angel's Refining, we are adding a new Offshore Pump that can be affected by modules. For when players need very large quantities of water. We are doing this by spawning a resource and swapping out the placed custom `offshore-pump` for our `mining-drill` entity.

We don't want mining productivity to apply to this entity. There doesn't seem to be any way of achieving this currently.

You could make it an assembler type prototype with a water recipe instead.

[Bilka]

Now, not to say that this request wouldn't have other usecases. But when I read "we are adding a new Offshore Pump that can be affected by modules" I kind of expect a request for module slots for offshore pumps, not something related to mining drills :D

[Stringweasel]

I was looking into this for Biter Power as well where I didn't want the Egg Extractors to be affected by mining productivity. I left it be though, because thematically it still works in my case, it just made scaling the "mining rate" harder. If possible I would still change it back to a flat rate.

(I could probably do it with a fixed recipe assembler, but I didn't want to deal with the managing of it. And there was some other reasons that I can't remember now)

So a +1 from me

[curiosity]

What if you made the miner reject the productivity effect? It's not like productivity makes any sense in an offshore pump. Would it ignore the mining bonus then?

[KiwiHawk]

You could make it an assembler type prototype with a water recipe instead.

Yes, I know. Except for productivity, the mining drill prototype better matches what we want though. Quoting from the person who did the work on the Heavy offshore pump:

• More realistic tooltip
• Stays close to how base game operates
• A pump is UPS friendlier (doesn't require crafting calculations)
• Doesn't have the 1 recipe/tick issue
• Pipe output is more fluid rather than a burst every time a recipe finishes

What if you made the miner reject the productivity effect? It's not like productivity makes any sense in an offshore pump. Would it ignore the mining bonus then?

Excluding "productivity" from allowed_effects just controls productivity modules. We already have it set to reject those. This doesn't stop the entity being affected by mining productivity research.

[curiosity]

Excluding "productivity" from allowed_effects just controls productivity modules. We already have it set to reject those. This doesn't stop the entity being affected by mining productivity research.

That seems like a bug to me. Mining productivity bonus is a productivity effect, I think it's reasonable to expect it not apply to entities that don't accept productivity effects. Have you tried reporting it?

[KiwiHawk]

That seems like a bug to me. Mining productivity bonus is a productivity effect, I think it's reasonable to expect it not apply to entities that don't accept productivity effects. Have you tried reporting it?

While that would allow me to do what I want in the specific case I talked about, it does seems correct to me. Ideally I would like the flexibility of allowing prod modules, mining productivity, both, or neither! From the documentation:

A list of module effects, or just a single effect. Modules with other effects cannot be used on the machine. This means that both effects from modules and from surrounding beacons are restricted to the listed effects. If allowed_effects is set to nil, the machine cannot be affected by modules or beacons.

[jurgy]

+1 for the proposal.

My mod, Canal Excavator, uses stone ore to simulate the process of digging a canal, but I don't want players to infinitely replace the canals with landfill and extract more from it than it would cost. Productivity bonuses make this much harder to implement.

[Honktown]

Why not:

Code: Select all

base_productivity

Type: float
Default: 0
Productivity bonus that this machine always has. Values below 0 are allowed, however the sum of the resulting effect together with modules and research is limited to be at least 0%, see Types/Effect#productivity. 

?

It's a sloppy, but giving it -37.267 would do the job, no?

[curiosity]

I think, you'd need to give it more than that. Mining productivity is unlimited.

[protocol_1903]

+1