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[FuryoftheStars]

Examples of dehumanization of Russians in Ukraine.
The inscription on the sign: "Shawarma of Russian children".
The channel "Life of Kharkov". The inscription under the cartoon: "Russians are not people."
Inscriptions on the labels: "Stewed Lugansk separatist", "Separatist in sour cream".
Inscriptions on the labels: "Orthodox bullfinch", "Separatist in sour cream", "Separatist in butter".
A dish from some Ukrainian restaurant.
Cooking competition at school. Names of dishes: "Tanks "On Moscow", "Zhirinovsky's Brain", "Blood of Russian babies".

Putting aside not being able to verify the authenticity and location of those images, this still doesn't prove that the government or people of the nation as a whole are like this (we have this kind of shit over here, too, but the majority and the government (as a whole) doesn't support it), or are even Nazis vs a deep-seeded hate towards Russia (cause, you know, it wasn't that long ago they were apart of the USSR...).

It also does not demonstrate actual violence towards anyone to justify the invasion (which, to be clear, still wouldn't be justification).

[FuryoftheStars]

The image above is Ukrainian propaganda, invented by Ukrainian (or American) political strategists. The emblem of the Wagner group is unknown to anyone. Because this group doesn't exist. This is a collective name invented in the West by the Russian special operations forces operating secretly in the hot spots of the planet.

And this is why attempting "reason and logic with proof" against someone on the internet is ineffective.

[MOP3E]

Putting aside not being able to verify the authenticity and location of those images, this still doesn't prove that the government or people of the nation as a whole are like this (we have this kind of shit over here, too, but the majority and the government (as a whole) doesn't support it), or are even Nazis vs a deep-seeded hate towards Russia (cause, you know, it wasn't that long ago they were apart of the USSR...).

Unfortunately, this behavior of Ukrainians is supported by the Ukrainian Nazi government. The Nazis in Ukraine can kill any person with the words "this is Putin's agent" or "this is a Russian separatist" and will not be held responsible for it. The most famous example of such a murder is the murder of Ukrainian opposition journalist Olesya Buzina by the Nazis in 2015. The investigation of the murder has not yet been completed and the perpetrators have not been punished.

[enterisys]

Unfortunately, this behavior of Ukrainians is supported by the Ukrainian Nazi government. The Nazis in Ukraine can kill any person with the words "this is Putin's agent" or "this is a Russian separatist" and will not be held responsible for it. The most famous example of such a murder is the murder of Ukrainian opposition journalist Olesya Buzina by the Nazis in 2015. The investigation of the murder has not yet been completed and the perpetrators have not been punished.

Meanwhile russia banned twitter, fb and rest of west platforms with punishment of up to 3 years in prison for saying that russians are bombing civilians in Ukraine.

[FuryoftheStars]

Putting aside not being able to verify the authenticity and location of those images, this still doesn't prove that the government or people of the nation as a whole are like this (we have this kind of shit over here, too, but the majority and the government (as a whole) doesn't support it), or are even Nazis vs a deep-seeded hate towards Russia (cause, you know, it wasn't that long ago they were apart of the USSR...).

Unfortunately, this behavior of Ukrainians is supported by the Ukrainian Nazi government. The Nazis in Ukraine can kill any person with the words "this is Putin's agent" or "this is a Russian separatist" and will not be held responsible for it. The most famous example of such a murder is the murder of Ukrainian opposition journalist Olesya Buzina by the Nazis in 2015. The investigation of the murder has not yet been completed and the perpetrators have not been punished.

Where's the proof that the Ukrainian government engages in this kind of activity? An unsolved murder isn't proof. It's conspiracy. We have murders and assassination attempts here, too, but they're not "the government". They're lone individuals or groups that have extreme views on how to handle opposition.

And really, even if we assume this is true, Putin's hands are just as dirty and guilty of the same conduct. Kettle calling the pot black.

Still does not justify one country invading another.

[MOP3E]

Meanwhile russia banned twitter, fb and rest of west platforms with punishment of up to 3 years in prison for saying that russians are bombing civilians in Ukraine.

But first Twitter and Facebook banned Russia. All official pages of Russian state structures have been deleted on Twitter and Facebook. It is forbidden to post any information about the war in Ukraine that somehow justifies the actions of Russian troops. In addition, users from the territory of Russia are prohibited from registering on Twitter.

Such social networks are not needed in Russia. But you can register in the Telegram messenger and the Vkontakte social network and calmly discuss with Russian users on topics of interest to you.

Where's the proof that the Ukrainian government engages in this kind of activity? An unsolved murder isn't proof. It's conspiracy. We have murders and assassination attempts here, too, but they're not "the government". They're lone individuals or groups that have extreme views on how to handle opposition.

Here is an example: The Ukrainian Nazis blocked the building of the police station where they were holding a Nazi who violated the law. The policeman who tried to drive them away from the building was fired under pressure from the Nazis.
https://topwar.ru/153955-arestovan-kiev ... ndera.html

[Djmixxx]

Where's the proof that the Ukrainian government engages in this kind of activity?

If you need documents from Ukraine government , you need just wait for a wile. Now Russian government gentli asking this dokuments from Ukraine government.
But seriously, did the Nazis of Germany publish stories about their crimes in every newspaper? Or did the whole world find out about them after the end of the war? What you asking for ?

[MOP3E]

Where's the proof that the Ukrainian government engages in this kind of activity? An unsolved murder isn't proof. It's conspiracy. We have murders and assassination attempts here, too, but they're not "the government". They're lone individuals or groups that have extreme views on how to handle opposition.

Here is an example: The Ukrainian Nazis blocked the building of the police station where they were holding a Nazi who violated the law. The policeman who tried to drive them away from the building was fired under pressure from the Nazis. After that, he was brought to criminal responsibility.
https://topwar.ru/153955-arestovan-kiev ... ndera.html
It is officially forbidden to arrest Nazis in Ukraine.

[enterisys]

Meanwhile russia banned twitter, fb and rest of west platforms with punishment of up to 3 years in prison for saying that russians are bombing civilians in Ukraine.

But first Twitter and Facebook banned Russia. All official pages of Russian state structures have been deleted on Twitter and Facebook. It is forbidden to post any information about the war in Ukraine that somehow justifies the actions of Russian troops. In addition, users from the territory of Russia are prohibited from registering on Twitter.

Such social networks are not needed in Russia. But you can register in the Telegram messenger and the Vkontakte social network and calmly discuss with Russian users on topics of interest to you.

Can you read? "russia banned twitter, fb". Not "Twitter and Facebook banned Russia". Explicitly banning russian media that were proved fake is not banning russian people. Your own government joined western countries and put sanction on own citizens.

[MOP3E]

Can you read? "russia banned twitter, fb". Not "Twitter and Facebook banned Russia". Explicitly banning russian media that were proved fake is not banning russian people. Your own government joined western countries and put sanction on own citizens.

And you? Russia banned Twitter and Facebook in response to their anti-Russian actions.
First, Twitter and Facebook banned Russia, and only after that Russia banned Twitter and Facebook.

[enterisys]

Here is an example: The Ukrainian Nazis blocked the building of the police station where they were holding a Nazi who violated the law. The policeman who tried to drive them away from the building was fired under pressure from the Nazis. After that, he was brought to criminal responsibility.
https://topwar.ru/153955-arestovan-kiev ... ndera.html
It is officially forbidden to arrest Nazis in Ukraine.

wow topwar, surely a well known news source full of true stories.

[Rubypoker]

Funny how we seen an increase of Russian players in the last days. That should be telling about the state of Russia.

[Djmixxx]

Can you read? "russia banned twitter, fb". Not "Twitter and Facebook banned Russia". Explicitly banning russian media that were proved fake is not banning russian people. Your own government joined western countries and put sanction on own citizens.

Ukrainian propaganda can post fake news . Russian propaganda can not post fake news ? What is difference ?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-60522454
Ukraine says soldiers killed after refusing to surrender - BBC (Only TRUE News from Ukraina)

https://tass.com/politics/1410761
Ukrainian garrison at Snake Island surrenders to Russian ...(Fake news from Russia)

https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/ukr ... 5a0l9.html
Ukraine’s Snake Island heroes ‘alive and well’ after surrendering to the Russians (In the end, who was right?)

[MOP3E]

Funny how we seen an increase of Russian players in the last days. That should be telling about the state of Russia.

This only indicates the dissatisfaction of Russian-speaking users with the fact that Wube Software LTD supports the Ukrainian Nazis. In Russia, they love the Factorio game and we have enough forums dedicated to this game and modifications for it. We just don't need to communicate in English on the official forum. But the game developers still achieved the appearance of Russian users on their forum. Angry Russians.

[MOP3E]

Ukrainian propaganda can post fake news . Russian propaganda can not post fake news ? What is difference ?

Everything is simple. Twitter and Facebook allow Ukrainian "propaganda" to be published and prohibit Russian "propaganda". They do not comply with the rules of freedom of speech, so they are banned in Russia.

[Djmixxx]

Meanwhile russia banned twitter, fb and rest of west platforms with punishment of up to 3 years in prison for saying that russians are bombing civilians in Ukraine.

God bless thi is not happens in modern Europe. Or happens ???

As long as the highest czech judge officially announced/offered up to 3 years in jail for wrong comment on Internet about Ukraine,Russia or Russian president. I cannot contribute.

[MOP3E]

God bless thi is not happens in modern Europe. Or happens ???

Already. Europe has banned the official Russian TV channels "Russia Today", "Sputnik", "Life News" on its territory. That's how we live.

[Djmixxx]

This only indicates the dissatisfaction of Russian-speaking users with the fact that Wube Software LTD supports the Ukrainian Nazis. In Russia, they love the Factorio game and we have enough forums dedicated to this game and modifications for it. We just don't need to communicate in English on the official forum. But the game developers still achieved the appearance of Russian users on their forum. Angry Russians.

Now position of Wube is more neitral "We support the Ukrainian Red Cross." As russian , I am support this postion for 100%

[FuryoftheStars]

Where's the proof that the Ukrainian government engages in this kind of activity?

If you need documents from Ukraine government , you need just wait for a wile. Now Russian government gentli asking this dokuments from Ukraine government.
But seriously, did the Nazis of Germany publish stories about their crimes in every newspaper? Or did the whole world find out about them after the end of the war? What you asking for ?

Like any documents Russia "procures" can be trusted, but Nazi Germany did plenty in world view to know they were bad. And it was Germany that triggered the wars by invading other countries.

But what I'm really getting at, is all I'm seeing are allegations of crimes within Ukraine, many of which are coming from known controlled sources. Even assuming they are true, how does this justify a full scale invasion by Russia? The conflicts in east Ukraine? As I understand it, these were regions of Ukraine that supposedly wanted to secede from Ukraine and Russia started meddling in. At most, this constitutes a civil war within Ukraine, and still not justification for Russia to just invade.

If that's all that's needed, then why hasn't someone invaded North Korea yet? Especially seems they've been playing with nukes and long-range missiles as of late. Even Russia fits these criteria for being fit for invading.

Where's the proof that the Ukrainian government engages in this kind of activity? An unsolved murder isn't proof. It's conspiracy. We have murders and assassination attempts here, too, but they're not "the government". They're lone individuals or groups that have extreme views on how to handle opposition.

Here is an example: The Ukrainian Nazis blocked the building of the police station where they were holding a Nazi who violated the law. The policeman who tried to drive them away from the building was fired under pressure from the Nazis. After that, he was brought to criminal responsibility.
https://topwar.ru/153955-arestovan-kiev ... ndera.html
It is officially forbidden to arrest Nazis in Ukraine.

Sorry, but knowing that Russia shuts down and arrests anyone that speaks differently from their narrative, I don't trust a damn thing that comes from news sources there that are allowed to run.

[enterisys]

God bless thi is not happens in modern Europe. Or happens ???

Exactly, with only difference is that in one country you go to jail for speak out against facts. In other country, you might get prosecuted for speaking out about lies.