Friday Facts #361 - Train stop limit, Tips and tricks

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An suggestion for an tip and trick. Pinning achievements.

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BaggyK wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 7:54 am
An suggestion for an tip and trick. Pinning achievements.
Pretty sure this is already a thing.

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KatherineOfSky wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:18 am
The Tips looks great, though I feel VERY STRONGLY that you do not hide tips from the user. If anything, add a little dot or animated icon next to the pertinent ones, or ones most recently related to progress in the game. However, I ask you most sincerely not to hide information from the player.
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And while people wouldn't quit playing the game over it, I doubt they would ever open the Tips menu again, thinking that 5 topics is all they get for the whole game. (That's what I would do: there's no reason I would think that anything else is forthcoming. It would just look like a pitiful 5-point Tips sheet)
I very much agree with this. From a UX perspective it's not great and this view of a window with only a few tips will basically be the first impression of the tips & tricks and how people will remember it. Even if you write that there will be more tips as you play I expect most people to not remember this as they have already subconsciously decided that this window has nothing for them anymore.
The only way I think it could be justified to have some tips hidden would be if there are notifications in-game whenever you unlock a new tip. Which I expect would also be kinda annoying. But without that, people are just gonna forget about them.

I would show all the tips immediately and just somehow grey out the ones which are not yet relevant. I'm divided on if they should be openable from the start or not. Then you would show a modal dialog the first time tips & tricks are opened which explains that only the relevant tips are colored and it's best to come back and read them once they become relevant.

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Illiou wrote:
Wed Oct 14, 2020 12:46 pm
I would show all the tips immediately and just somehow grey out the ones which are not yet relevant.
The monster "library" in typical JRPGs usually shows the full length list from the start, but all monsters that you haven't seen (unlocked) yet just show a [???] triple questionmark entry and selecting it shows an empty page. That way it is very clear that there are lots of pages, but there's no information overload.
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eradicator wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:23 pm
Either you're looking at the wrong screen or you're misinterpreting or you've found an actual bug. It certainly shows "1" just fine for me. Factorio is one of the few games where i feel comfortable assuming the data is always 100% accurate.
I was looking at and describing the graph, not the list, which is shown in your screenshot.
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The wiki also describes this, although I came across it in my own testing.

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Unknow0059 wrote:
Fri Oct 16, 2020 1:06 am
eradicator wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 11:23 pm
Either you're looking at the wrong screen or you're misinterpreting or you've found an actual bug. It certainly shows "1" just fine for me. Factorio is one of the few games where i feel comfortable assuming the data is always 100% accurate.
I was looking at and describing the graph, not the list, which is shown in your screenshot.
Image: https://i.imgur.com/KPgp8mR.png
The wiki also describes this, although I came across it in my own testing.
But the graph shows a rolling average and not "precise numbers" in the first place. The game doesn't measure how long it takes to produce an item. Do if you produce one item then there's a 1-tick spike of producing 1 item in a 5 second interval. So the average of that is gonna be weird. "23.8" is probably just the mathematically lowest number that such a 1 second spike produces, that doesn't mean the numbers are imprecise or uncorrect. It can definetly show lower values in the other time scales. If you made a factory that produces exactly 1 item per second forever than i'm guessing it would show correctly on the higher timescales.

Also the 12/m in your screenshot is what i'd call precise: If you produce 1 / 5s then you produce 12 / 60s. Aaand if you think the graph really is wrong then like i said - search the bug forum and if there's nothing similar file a precise bug report.
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I just wanted to say that I really appreciate the continuation of Friday Facts, even if they are not weekly any longer. I enjoy reading about what's going on and what is planned for the future, and they sometimes remind me of corners of the game I haven't played with in a long time.

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Klonan wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:34 am
TheEnemy42 wrote:
Fri Oct 09, 2020 8:32 am
Weee, new FFF and great changes too!

As a translator I urge you to find a way where we get the newly translated strings into the new release. 1.0 still has the spidertron and new crashed spaceship wreck texts in English in all localisations. Especially I expect the new tips and tricks to be new strings heavy and if all of the new help texts are not translated for new players it'll be a dent in quality IMHO.
Sure, the translations will be included as we start doing the deploys again, which automatically push and pull from crowdin.
There is no way to update the translations in 1.0 though.
Does that mean that you will release 1.1 as an experimental release first, so translators will have the chance to translate the new tips & tricks before they are pushed to all players (and maybe catch another bug or two)? Or does that just mean that you will incorporate the already existing translations for the spidertron text (which is still in English in 1.0) when 1.1 is released?

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valneq wrote:
Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:11 pm
Does that mean that you will release 1.1 as an experimental release first, so translators will have the chance to translate the new tips & tricks before they are pushed to all players (and maybe catch another bug or two)? Or does that just mean that you will incorporate the already existing translations for the spidertron text (which is still in English in 1.0) when 1.1 is released?
1.1 will be released as experimental release first, so there will be some opportunities for the translation upload/download before stable.

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That is good to know.

Although, judging by everyone's experience with (expectation of?) Wube quality, I kind of expect most people to just jump on the experimental 1.1 right when it comes out – leaving the tips and tricks essentially not translated. But then at least, people know what they are getting themselves into by opting for an experimental build ;-)

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