Version 0.17.65

[BlueTemplar]

Well, that's a short mod !

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for k, v in pairs(data.raw.resource) do
   data.raw.resource[k].infinite = true
   data.raw.resource[k].minimum  = 100
   data.raw.resource[k].normal   = 100
end

Have you tied adding

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   data.raw.resource[k].maximum = 100

?

[Philuminati]

Well, that's a short mod !

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for k, v in pairs(data.raw.resource) do
   data.raw.resource[k].infinite = true
   data.raw.resource[k].minimum  = 100
   data.raw.resource[k].normal   = 100
end

Have you tied adding

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   data.raw.resource[k].maximum = 100

?

As far as I know, there is no field called resource.maximum. I just tried it and it didn't change anything Is it possible to prevent depletion of resources without activating the infinite mode?

[BlueTemplar]

Hmm, yeah...
https://wiki.factorio.com/Prototype/ResourceEntity

So, the resources amounts are scaled after the mod's data stage ?

[Philuminati]

So, the resources amounts are scaled after the mod's data stage ?

Would make sense because the mods and the data is loaded on game start and the amounts are set when generating a map which is obviously later in the process. What I dont understand is, if I set the depletion amount of an infinte resource that has its normal and minimum settings on 1 to a really big number, and then mine one of it, it drops its yield to 10000% and not to 100%. I also don't see any change if I change the normal and minimum numbers no matter if I make the resources infinite or not. I also tried to use the remains_when_mined data field but I don't know what string I have to write there that the remainings of a resource are the resource itself.

Oh and for the devs, would it be possible to just expand the infinite_depletion_amount function to not infinite resources? This would solve the problem instantly I guess

[BlueTemplar]

10000% = 100 * 100% ?
(Note that the default value for data.raw.resource.normal is 1 !)

Sounds like one solution could be a mod that, when a new chunk is generated, goes through every non-infinite resource, and replaces them by (100%) infinite ones ?

[Philuminati]

10000% = 100 * 100% ?
(Note that the default value for data.raw.resource.normal is 1 !)

As I said, I set minimum and normal to 1 and not to 100 like the mod originally does.

Sounds like one solution could be a mod that, when a new chunk is generated, goes through every non-infinite resource, and replaces them by (100%) infinite ones ?

That exceeds my abilities by far. If you know how to do this, tell me, but my modding knowledge ends at adding/modifying entities and simple manipulations of data.raw like the ones above. Is it possible to set the minimum without infinite resources so that you just mine the patch until 1 ore and this one doesn't deplete?

[BlueTemplar]

My bad !

I'm afraid that my mod knowledge is pretty fragmentary too, you probably should ask someone like orzelek ?

[orzelek]

My bad !

I'm afraid that my mod knowledge is pretty fragmentary too, you probably should ask someone like orzelek ?

Manipulations on data.raw won't set all your resources to 100% unless you change resource autoplace.
If you want to have 100% on any resource you need a mod that will set each and every ore tile to 100%.

If you don't mind that ore will go over 100% and then slowly drop to 100% as it's mined then you need a mod that sets minimum and normal to something low like 100 in example above or even 10. Not sure how it will behave if you set both to 1 - but that would mean that normally generated tiles would reach thousands of % when generated.

As far as I know it works like this (I didn't look at this closely recently so it might be outdated):
You have minimum and normal values in prototype. And separately each resource pile also has it's own richness when it's generated or spawned from script.
%-age displayed on the resource when infinite will be richness/normal * 100%. Minimum value defines how far infnite resource will deplete. So with minimum = normal it won't deplete below 100%. With minimum = 1/10th of normal it will deplete to 10% etc.

[Philuminati]

Manipulations on data.raw won't set all your resources to 100% unless you change resource autoplace.
If you want to have 100% on any resource you need a mod that will set each and every ore tile to 100%.

If you don't mind that ore will go over 100% and then slowly drop to 100% as it's mined then you need a mod that sets minimum and normal to something low like 100 in example above or even 10. Not sure how it will behave if you set both to 1 - but that would mean that normally generated tiles would reach thousands of % when generated.

As far as I know it works like this (I didn't look at this closely recently so it might be outdated):
You have minimum and normal values in prototype. And separately each resource pile also has it's own richness when it's generated or spawned from script.
%-age displayed on the resource when infinite will be richness/normal * 100%. Minimum value defines how far infnite resource will deplete. So with minimum = normal it won't deplete below 100%. With minimum = 1/10th of normal it will deplete to 10% etc.

OK, but the exceeding 100% is exactly what I don't want. The goal is a normal mining process like in vanilla but with non-depleting deposits. Is this achievable in any form using the minimum and normal values? If I understand correctly what you wrote, it is necessary that minimum equals normal if the deposits shall stay at 100%. And the higher the normal value gets, the lower are the percentages on initial generation. But how do I achieve that this: richness/normal * 100% equals 100% on every stack?

[MasterBuilder]

OK, but the exceeding 100% is exactly what I don't want. The goal is a normal mining process like in vanilla but with non-depleting deposits. Is this achievable in any form using the minimum and normal values? If I understand correctly what you wrote, it is necessary that minimum equals normal if the deposits shall stay at 100%. And the higher the normal value gets, the lower are the percentages on initial generation. But how do I achieve that this: richness/normal * 100% equals 100% on every stack?

https://wiki.factorio.com/Prototype/ResourceEntity
I see nothing for maximum so you'll have to get creative.

For keeping it at 100% on generation, I present this from a very old mod called "practically_infinite_resources" that I still have around for some reason. (Made in 2013).

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require "defines"

game.onevent(defines.events.onchunkgenerated, function(event)
  for _, resource in pairs(game.findentitiesfiltered{area=event.area, type="resource"}) do resource.amount=-1 end
end)

remote.addinterface("infinite", --used to find unknown power, aka DyTech added to already started game.
{
  scan = function()
    local resources=game.findentitiesfiltered{type="resource", area={{game.player.position.x-100, game.player.position.y-100},{game.player.position.x+100, game.player.position.y+100}}}
    for _, resource in pairs(resources) do resource.amount=-1 end
  end
})


// info.json for credit:
{
	"name":"practically_infinite_resources",
	"author":"FreeER",
	"version":"0.0.1",
	"title":"Practically Infinite Resources",
	"homepage":"https://forums.factorio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1568",
	"description":"A mod that makes resources infinite",
	"dependencies": ["base >= 0.7.4"]
}

Basically, I think you could achieve this if you make a mod with the following:

• data-final-fixes.lua to set the minimum & normal amounts to 100%. (And infinite to true.)
• control.lua with a listener for the chunk generation event. Find all generated resources in the new chunk and set the value to exactly 100%.

That should make up for the missing 'maximum' definition in the prototype.
As a side effect, all resources everywhere would be uniformly the same amount.

Alternatively, you could go make a modding API request to add a maximum to resource prototype. That'll probably take longer though.

PS: I don't know if there's a better way (a better event) to listen for generated resources as I haven't made a mod here in years.

[Philuminati]

control.lua with a listener for the chunk generation event. Find all generated resources in the new chunk and set the value to exactly 100%.

So the data-final-fixes.lua isn't a problem but how do I make the control.lua work? I edited the code you sent me for (minimum and normal value = 100):

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require "defines"

game.onevent(defines.events.onchunkgenerated, function(event)
  for _, resource in pairs(game.findentitiesfiltered{area=event.area, type="resource"}) do resource.amount=10000 end
end)

remote.addinterface("infinite", --used to find unknown power, aka DyTech added to already started game.
{
  scan = function()
    local resources=game.findentitiesfiltered{type="resource", area={{game.player.position.x-100, game.player.position.y-100},{game.player.position.x+100, game.player.position.y+100}}}
    for _, resource in pairs(resources) do resource.amount=10000 end
  end
})

But I don't have a defines.lua and the game says on generating a new world that I tried to access "game" which is a nil value (obviously because the game hasn't started yet) in line 3.

[Philuminati]

I actually think I did it. Now it is done by other means without setting the resources to infinite. Instead, all 5 minutes, the game checks all resouce patches for deposits with under 1000 units and then sets them on a random number between 1000 and 100000. On big maps this causes a small lag but as said, only every 5 minutes. As long as the ores are not set to infinite there is no problem with high yield percentages. I uploaded the mod here: https://mods.factorio.com/mod/endless_resources

Thank you for your ideas and support!

[BlueTemplar]

Heh, yeah, if you don't want to have a depletion effect, I guess that this is the easiest way to go!

[Batmates]

Aww, for a second I thought that you added the Doppler effect in the game...

That's what I thought of first as well, but boy would this be unnecessary

Why? Probably getting ready to enter space in Vanilla...

Well, if we ARE getting into space in vanilla, the doppler effect is the last thing I will miss

Well guys WE ARE!!! And we have Doppler effect as well!