Moderator: pyanodon
Stay on Green science. The inputs are reduced but the plates are also greatly reduced past that.
Actually, it does allow you to export/import. But you have to do it one Production Line at a time...TwentyEighty wrote: Fri Mar 29, 2019 3:47 pm helmod (Which doesn't let you export to a new map, etc). It's also easier in some cases to just force a value in a spreadsheet rather than fighting helmod
Hmm not sure how to express that without copying iron and doing every permutation of aluminum and copper. The main point of these was to show at a glance which chains to make decisions on and concentrate on without spending your life in helmod. So you only have to helmod 1 recipe instead of 6. Duralumin and steel decisions are easy: molten all the way.BlueTemplar wrote: Sun Mar 31, 2019 9:09 am Thanks a lot for doing this !
Could you please add some important intermediates like steel and duralumin ?
For instance steel goes from 10 iron plates in science 1 to 1.24 iron plates (equivalent) in science 2...)
(0.10 and 0.81 using your way of presentation.)
Actually Pyanodon removed a lot of the production module recipes that kingarthur added, almost immediately. I'm sure there were dozens of infinite loops. So there aren't really any places you can use prod modules in these chains. I do wish that there were a few left in, like the very first ore crushing or the molten recipes or the casting to plates where there wouldn't be loops, but they are also gone. We still got a quite a few useful ones though (Batteries! Fiberboard!)Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 pm One element I think you're missing is the use of production modules. If the longer chains offer more places to shove prod mods, that can build to a pretty impressive multiplier even if the baseline production is modest.
nitrogen and helium they are sorta loops but require lots of gasoline and power and need constant autobalaningTwentyEighty wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:36 pmActually Pyanodon removed a lot of the production module recipes that kingarthur added, almost immediately. I'm sure there were dozens of infinite loops. So there aren't really any places you can use prod modules in these chains. I do wish that there were a few left in, like the very first ore crushing or the molten recipes or the casting to plates where there wouldn't be loops, but they are also gone. We still got a quite a few useful ones though (Batteries! Fiberboard!)Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 pm One element I think you're missing is the use of production modules. If the longer chains offer more places to shove prod mods, that can build to a pretty impressive multiplier even if the baseline production is modest.
Well that's a shame. The fact that it doesn't shy away from making loops in the early game (power, slacked lime) was one of the things that attracted me to the mods to begin with. Guess the later recipes are just genuinely crummy.TwentyEighty wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:36 pmActually Pyanodon removed a lot of the production module recipes that kingarthur added, almost immediately. I'm sure there were dozens of infinite loops. So there aren't really any places you can use prod modules in these chains. I do wish that there were a few left in, like the very first ore crushing or the molten recipes or the casting to plates where there wouldn't be loops, but they are also gone. We still got a quite a few useful ones though (Batteries! Fiberboard!)Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 pm One element I think you're missing is the use of production modules. If the longer chains offer more places to shove prod mods, that can build to a pretty impressive multiplier even if the baseline production is modest.
what loops ??? besides wood with CO2 there arent that many loopsLurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:55 pmWell that's a shame. The fact that it doesn't shy away from making loops in the early game (power, slacked lime) was one of the things that attracted me to the mods to begin with. Guess the later recipes are just genuinely crummy.TwentyEighty wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:36 pmActually Pyanodon removed a lot of the production module recipes that kingarthur added, almost immediately. I'm sure there were dozens of infinite loops. So there aren't really any places you can use prod modules in these chains. I do wish that there were a few left in, like the very first ore crushing or the molten recipes or the casting to plates where there wouldn't be loops, but they are also gone. We still got a quite a few useful ones though (Batteries! Fiberboard!)Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 pm One element I think you're missing is the use of production modules. If the longer chains offer more places to shove prod mods, that can build to a pretty impressive multiplier even if the baseline production is modest.
Power's the big one that sets it apart. You can power your base with fawogae or wood as soon as you've got science 1. Angel's has a power loop as well, but it takes either finite resources you find while exploring or good luck in seed extraction (more exploring) to set up. It's a good idea, but not a given.immortal_sniper1 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:02 pmwhat loops ??? besides wood with CO2 there arent that many loopsLurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:55 pmWell that's a shame. The fact that it doesn't shy away from making loops in the early game (power, slacked lime) was one of the things that attracted me to the mods to begin with. Guess the later recipes are just genuinely crummy.TwentyEighty wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:36 pmActually Pyanodon removed a lot of the production module recipes that kingarthur added, almost immediately. I'm sure there were dozens of infinite loops. So there aren't really any places you can use prod modules in these chains. I do wish that there were a few left in, like the very first ore crushing or the molten recipes or the casting to plates where there wouldn't be loops, but they are also gone. We still got a quite a few useful ones though (Batteries! Fiberboard!)Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 pm One element I think you're missing is the use of production modules. If the longer chains offer more places to shove prod mods, that can build to a pretty impressive multiplier even if the baseline production is modest.
well that wood power loop is a loop but its big and not really that ups friendlyLurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:27 pmPower's the big one that sets it apart. You can power your base with fawogae or wood as soon as you've got science 1. Angel's has a power loop as well, but it takes either finite resources you find while exploring or good luck in seed extraction (more exploring) to set up. It's a good idea, but not a given.immortal_sniper1 wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:02 pmwhat loops ??? besides wood with CO2 there arent that many loopsLurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 5:55 pmWell that's a shame. The fact that it doesn't shy away from making loops in the early game (power, slacked lime) was one of the things that attracted me to the mods to begin with. Guess the later recipes are just genuinely crummy.TwentyEighty wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:36 pmActually Pyanodon removed a lot of the production module recipes that kingarthur added, almost immediately. I'm sure there were dozens of infinite loops. So there aren't really any places you can use prod modules in these chains. I do wish that there were a few left in, like the very first ore crushing or the molten recipes or the casting to plates where there wouldn't be loops, but they are also gone. We still got a quite a few useful ones though (Batteries! Fiberboard!)Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 2:56 pm One element I think you're missing is the use of production modules. If the longer chains offer more places to shove prod mods, that can build to a pretty impressive multiplier even if the baseline production is modest.
Also, when you start needing NaOH for stuff, slacked lime makes more limestone than what was used to make it, which if you've been getting your limestone as a byproduct from soil sorting, can really simplify acetylene production.
[ETA] While not infinite loops, lots of the ore processing steps are loopy. Precursor makes intermediate + waste, which makes stone + precursor.
Well, those power loops are in a category of their own, considering that they end up doing basically the same job as vanilla's solar panels + accumulators, but (usually) earlier, more complex and requiring water...Lurve wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:27 pm Power's the big one that sets it apart. You can power your base with fawogae or wood as soon as you've got science 1. Angel's has a power loop as well, but it takes either finite resources you find while exploring or good luck in seed extraction (more exploring) to set up. It's a good idea, but not a given.
Which is why it surprised me that productivity modules were disabled for doing it accidentally later on, is all.BlueTemplar wrote: Mon Apr 01, 2019 6:50 pm They're also designed to be positive from the get go, without the need of any productivity modules...
