[MOD 0.13.17+] Rampant

[leoch]

Pollute more. Pollution is their food

Proactively clearing out any nests near your pollution is a good way to reduce attacks. The other part is biter expansion; if that's disabled they won't move back towards your base.

[Veden]

I've noticed a bunch of invisible entities which just show a cross if trying to build on them (presumably zero-size hit-box). The only way to destroy them is to run them over with a car/tank. I think they are the remains of the spawner eggs? They really should get cleaned up, I imagine there are hundreds in my game now.

Speaking of cleaning up, the spawner biters often don't form squads but just hang around. I wonder if they should have a maximum lifetime or something? I suppose Rampant's "refund" mechanism should eventually clear them up.

I can't reproduce the egg collision issue, do you have any more information you can give me?

I can add something to turn most of the spawned biters into a new squad.

[Veden]

Wondering if this is normal behavior for the latest versions. I really have had very little interaction except for clearing out a few nests early on. I am 136 days in now and they have hardly expanded or attacked their nests in any meaningful way. Posting screenshot of map and also my settings page in case I screwed up a setting or something. Please help. Any pointers would be appreciated, I really dont want to start a new game/map.

Overview of Map

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First Page of Settings

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Second Page of Settings

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Without seeing your pollution or having your save at your current point, I can't really tell you if the level of pressure you are receiving is appropriate.

In the last version I added some logic for attacking periodically even without pollution coverage.

I'm also planning to add a migration event.

[Tampa_Gamer]

To the extent its useful, attached is the save from that standpoint. I primarily wanted to make sure I didn't screw up any of the settings inadvertently and put them on some sort of creative/non-threatening stance.

[Veden]

To the extent its useful, attached is the save from that standpoint. I primarily wanted to make sure I didn't screw up any of the settings inadvertently and put them on some sort of creative/non-threatening stance.

It looks like all the unit spawners in your immediate area are gone.

[Officer Joe Balogna]

Hello! I love this mod, but I keep encountering a problem, which I believe may be caused by this. Every world I make, the biters evolve insanely fast; faster than I can reasonably keep pace with. For instance, I've only played for 5 hours on one world, and the biters are already 25% evolved. I checked the settings, and the evolution factors seem to be how they are in vanilla, so I can't figure out why it's so rapid...

[Tampa_Gamer]

It looks like all the unit spawners in your immediate area are gone.

That is bizarre, I only took 1-2 spawners early on. So the biters are not setting up new bases as they migrate now? This game started a few versions back ago and I was worried about seeing all of the entities delete messages when I upgraded to the new versions. Its never been a problem before. Are you saying I need to start a new game?

[TheSAguy]

I must say I'm very impressed with all the new stuff you've been adding!
You'r doing to Fauna what Alien Biomes did to Factorio's Flora


Thanks for your hard work!

[Veden]

Hello! I love this mod, but I keep encountering a problem, which I believe may be caused by this. Every world I make, the biters evolve insanely fast; faster than I can reasonably keep pace with. For instance, I've only played for 5 hours on one world, and the biters are already 25% evolved. I checked the settings, and the evolution factors seem to be how they are in vanilla, so I can't figure out why it's so rapid...

Rampant doesn't make any changes to evolution.
When playing without the mod on the same map do you have similar results?

It looks like all the unit spawners in your immediate area are gone.

That is bizarre, I only took 1-2 spawners early on. So the biters are not setting up new bases as they migrate now? This game started a few versions back ago and I was worried about seeing all of the entities delete messages when I upgraded to the new versions. Its never been a problem before. Are you saying I need to start a new game?

You can explore out further and the world will generate more but it will take some time for them to come back.

The issue with the deleted entities came from when I added settings to configure the default tiers and variations and they lower than an older version, so unless you configured the settings to what they were before the upgrade then you lost entities.
I try to limit the number of save breaking issues with each version, sometimes I don't do very well at that.

you may want to start a new game, but the biters are out there and will spread back given time

I must say I'm very impressed with all the new stuff you've been adding!
You'r doing to Fauna what Alien Biomes did to Factorio's Flora


Thanks for your hard work!

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Thank you, glad you like what you are seeing

[wvlad]

Hi, I have another suggestion. The artillery is supposed to deal one shot kill damage to biter spawners so if you buff their hit points (with the new enemies feature) there should be an option to buff artillery.

[Veden]

Hi, I have another suggestion. The artillery is supposed to deal one shot kill damage to biter spawners so if you buff their hit points (with the new enemies feature) there should be an option to buff artillery.

I have tried to avoid making changes to the players arsenal as many mods already provide upgrades and there is alot that could be added aside from an artillery buff.

[wvlad]

Then make it as an option so one don't have to use artillery mods and have the same artillery effect of destroying one enemy building per shot. If one wants to use a mod he can just disable that option.

Currently I use

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for _,v in pairs(data.raw["artillery-projectile"]["artillery-projectile"].action.action_delivery.target_effects[1].action.action_delivery.target_effects) do
    v.damage.amount = v.damage.amount * MULTIPLIER
end

[Baughn]

Hi,

We're two weeks into a game combining Rampant, Nauvis Day and Endgame Combat, and by now the biters seem to have maxed out. We're still in early-midgame -- no logistics system, just player delivery and construction bots -- but evolution is sitting around 95-97% and all I ever see are the highest-tier enemies.

However, although we haven't researched very far into the combat tech tree, the walls are already largely invincible. A single line of flamethrowers, concussion turrets and lasers means they never even take any damage, let alone need replacement or defence in depth -- even with waves of nuclear biters. That's fine for now, but it makes me worry about the future.

What are my options here?

I noticed there's a difficulty setting, default to 4 (of 10) for the max. Increasing that setting just scales up the existing biters, though, and I expect that's expected? Our evolution is nearly maxed.

Is there any way I can change the evolution scale, e.g. to turn the current evolution into "50%" while also doubling the maximum biter level? Keeping the current biters the same, in other words, but adding extra depth to the threat? We're playing with expansion on, so removing all existing biters and letting them regrow is a valid option.

[Veden]

Hi,

We're two weeks into a game combining Rampant, Nauvis Day and Endgame Combat, and by now the biters seem to have maxed out. We're still in early-midgame -- no logistics system, just player delivery and construction bots -- but evolution is sitting around 95-97% and all I ever see are the highest-tier enemies.

However, although we haven't researched very far into the combat tech tree, the walls are already largely invincible. A single line of flamethrowers, concussion turrets and lasers means they never even take any damage, let alone need replacement or defence in depth -- even with waves of nuclear biters. That's fine for now, but it makes me worry about the future.

What are my options here?

I noticed there's a difficulty setting, default to 4 (of 10) for the max. Increasing that setting just scales up the existing biters, though, and I expect that's expected? Our evolution is nearly maxed.

Is there any way I can change the evolution scale, e.g. to turn the current evolution into "50%" while also doubling the maximum biter level? Keeping the current biters the same, in other words, but adding extra depth to the threat? We're playing with expansion on, so removing all existing biters and letting them regrow is a valid option.

Increasing the enemy level will scale everything up about the units, unit spawners, and worms stats.

an easy way if you don't care about achievements or using the console is to run

/c game.forces.enemy.evolution_factor = 0.5

to set the evolution back to 50%.

Otherwise I'm not sure how the mechanism would work as a setting.

[FuryoftheStars]

Is there any way I can change the evolution scale, e.g. to turn the current evolution into "50%" while also doubling the maximum biter level? Keeping the current biters the same, in other words, but adding extra depth to the threat? We're playing with expansion on, so removing all existing biters and letting them regrow is a valid option.

Baughn, unless one of the other mods changed the way evolution works, I believe this only controls what types of biters will spawn and their spawn chance. ie, decreasing the current evolution % will simply make it so the largest biters don't spawn / decreased frequency and everything will favor the mid to maybe large sized guys. It does not control their hitpoints (I believe this gets hard set in the data/prototype stage (ie, during Factorio start / load) and cannot be modified dynamically during game run).

At least, this is my current understanding of how the game works.

[Kamsta99]

Hi, i noticed Bob enemies still using stupid laser-homing projectiles. Noticed on bob-big-explosive-worm-turret, maybe you can do something with this

[wvlad]

Hi, I noticed that Nuclear biters use projectile "atomic-bomb-wave" which has in-built 400 damage not controlled by biter tiers. I suggest you to make instead your own copy of that projectile without in-built damage.

[Veden]

Hi, i noticed Bob enemies still using stupid laser-homing projectiles. Noticed on bob-big-explosive-worm-turret, maybe you can do something with this

Thanks for the report, this should be fixed in the latest.

Hi, I noticed that Nuclear biters use projectile "atomic-bomb-wave" which has in-built 400 damage not controlled by biter tiers. I suggest you to make instead your own copy of that projectile without in-built damage.

Thanks this should be fixed in the latest

[numgun]

Posted this suggestion in the mod portal:

I'd like to see an alternative victory condition that overrides the default "launch satellite to space" objective, so that winning requires the destruction of all enemies on the map.

Player: "I'm not stuck here with you, you're stuck in here with me!"

[Ivankon]

Expansion does not work ... (Rampant + Bob's + Factorio 16.28)