Bugs & FAQ

[mexmer]

yeah, kinda having same issue, while you can easily create abudance of sulfuric and chloric acid, getting fluoric acid is rather painfull and not enough to satisfy infinite ores mining needs.

[timer67]

I've modded the files so that wastewater gives 2 ore rather than one for the moment.
Seems to work.

[mexmer]

I think if you can get calcium fluoride for example from stone or mineralized water, then extract fluorite from that one also, that will help.

for minining infinite patches(except coal) you need acid
for sulfuric acid you need sulfur, there is plenty ways to get sulfur.
for chloric acid you need chlorine, multiple ways to get it.
for nitric acid you need nitrogen dioxide, multiple ways to get it.
for hydrofluoric acid you need fluorite, which you can get only by washing jivolite. and to dig jivolite (infinite patch) you need hydrofluoric acid ... this cyclic dependency is what bothers me

[Arch666Angel]

You can get fluorite from the waste water, acid gas cracking and crystallization to uranium and fluorite

[Light]

It seems that many people are a little too reliant on those infinite ores to get the job done, when there are other jivolite patches to claim ores from that won't starve your reserves when you're not ready for it.

With many ways to score fluorite later on in larger quantities, there really shouldn't be that big of an issue with it by the late game. You can even start the fluorite processes early on so you have a sizable stockpile for when you do decide to begin fluid mining more heavily, then balance production and demand accordingly so you don't ever run dry.

[mexmer]

You can get fluorite from the waste water, acid gas cracking and crystallization to uranium and fluorite

hmm, that didn't show in research, when i was searching for fluorite. guess then it's ok.

[mexmer]

It seems that many people are a little too reliant on those infinite ores to get the job done, when there are other jivolite patches to claim ores from that won't starve your reserves when you're not ready for it.

With many ways to score fluorite later on in larger quantities, there really shouldn't be that big of an issue with it by the late game. You can even start the fluorite processes early on so you have a sizable stockpile for when you do decide to begin fluid mining more heavily, then balance production and demand accordingly so you don't ever run dry.

well, that's not point here, if you have not noticed i mentioned multiple times, i usually play without infinite patches, i don't like them. but since there was possible usage of new mining, i enabled them, just to find out there is balance missing in different patches demand. i'm still in early game (starting blue tech), but you need jivolite to produce more iron (combining jivolite with saphirite in sorter), therefore it's quite problematic. also another problem is, that when you have infinite ores enabled, you get patch, which has like 3 or 4 posts for "normal" miner, then rest switches to acid miner ... and those DON'T mine without acid, so your production is severaly hindered. also playing with RSO so patches are rather spread far away.

after i finish this map (or get tired of it) i will most likely run another again without infinite ores.

[Light]

It seems that many people are a little too reliant on those infinite ores to get the job done, when there are other jivolite patches to claim ores from that won't starve your reserves when you're not ready for it.

With many ways to score fluorite later on in larger quantities, there really shouldn't be that big of an issue with it by the late game. You can even start the fluorite processes early on so you have a sizable stockpile for when you do decide to begin fluid mining more heavily, then balance production and demand accordingly so you don't ever run dry.

well, that's not point here, if you have not noticed i mentioned multiple times, i usually play without infinite patches, i don't like them. but since there was possible usage of new mining, i enabled them, just to find out there is balance missing in different patches demand. i'm still in early game (starting blue tech), but you need jivolite to produce more iron (combining jivolite with saphirite in sorter), therefore it's quite problematic. also another problem is, that when you have infinite ores enabled, you get patch, which has like 3 or 4 posts for "normal" miner, then rest switches to acid miner ... and those DON'T mine without acid, so your production is severaly hindered. also playing with RSO so patches are rather spread far away.

after i finish this map (or get tired of it) i will most likely run another again without infinite ores.

Fun fact: I play with infinite ores enabled and RSO. Yet this is not an issue I run into for two reasons.

1. I've also found infinite ores to be a cheat in the past, so either disabled or very small amounts. Because my infinite ore chance is 0.9 (Perhaps 5-10% of a patch), the need for fluid is seldom required. It's understandable that you can't mine an entire deposit right away without some preparation, however I will agree that fluorite restrictions are a slight hindrance compared to other ores at the early-mid phase of the game.

2. Another major factor to consider is Angel's Smelting. As iron smelting reduces the need for jivolite ore, the other fluorite processes are given a better chance to keep up with demand. This is further improved when ingot mixing is factored into the equation, reducing jivolite demand to a mere fraction as nickel, cobalt, and chrome do not require jivolite ore to create. The entire fluorite restriction is basically dissolved by the smelting mod alone, and much earlier on than one might expect.

So by reducing infinite ores, using smelting, or both, the problem should be dissolved and actually create a surplus of fluorite ore you can freely use for other things.

[mexmer]

i have default settings. i rarely change them (for infinite ores i used switchmod in 0.14)

but acid gas cracking should solve my problem.

too bad, that multioutput recipes missing titles, and search is not working on them properly. i hope sooner or later devs fix that.

[Saken]

Raw Smelting (Level 0)
Crushed Angle's Ores can be smelted directly into basic four plates for Bob's Mods: iron, copper, lead, and tin.

Lead, and, tin, where is it?

[Magnatix]

This type of resource opens with research. Circled in red.

[Saken]

5dim

[Magnatix]

Моды несовместимы друг с другом.

[emp_zealoth]

One of the two calcium chloride recipes (the one with crushed stone instead of full stone) gives out 30 calcium chlorides instead of 3

[alexelXD]

I have this erro 0.003 2017-06-09 14:25:11; Factorio 0.15.19 (build 30238, win64, steam)
0.003 Operating system: Windows 7 Service Pack 1
0.003 Program arguments: "C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Factorio\bin\x64\Factorio.exe"
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0.019 Create display on adapter 0. Size 1280x720 at position [70, 72].
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4.429 Script module-functions.lua:12: Recipe polishing-wheel-synthetic does not exist.
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4.559 Error ModManager.cpp:948: Failed to load mod "angelsrefining": __angelsrefining__/data-updates.lua:3: __angelsrefining__/prototypes/refining-override.lua:74: __angelsrefining__/prototypes/angels-functions.lua:165: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)
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4.985 Loaded shader file C:/Program Files (x86)/Steam/steamapps/common/Factorio/data/core/graphics/shaders/zoom-to-world.glsl
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5.182 Factorio initialised
5.182 Mods to disable:Failed to load mods: __angelsrefining__/data-updates.lua:3: __angelsrefining__/prototypes/refining-override.lua:74: __angelsrefining__/prototypes/angels-functions.lua:165: attempt to index field '?' (a nil value)

Mods to be disabled:
• angelsrefining

[Arch666Angel]

I have this erro 0.003 2017-06-09 14:25:11; Factorio 0.15.19 (build 30238, win64, steam)

You seem to be missing infinite ores

[Coppermine]

too bad, that multioutput recipes missing titles, and search is not working on them properly. i hope sooner or later devs fix that.

Until then, I suggest: What is it really used for?

[mexmer]

too bad, that multioutput recipes missing titles, and search is not working on them properly. i hope sooner or later devs fix that.

Until then, I suggest: What is it really used for?

i know that mod, but what you usually need search for is stuff, that is created as byproduct of some process, and that's exactly where even this mod doesn't help, not to mention

Filtering works by the internal name, not the localized name.

which doesn't make searching easier

[aklesey1]

Bug in petrochem mod
1 carbon + 5 purified water = 50 carbon monoxide
In 0.15 it must be - 1 carbon + 50 purified water = 50 carbon monoxide - because it must be multiplied on 10 - 0.15 feature

Another bug in petrochem mod
30 Hydrogen Chloride Gas + 6 crushed stone = 30 Calcium Chloride
Must be
30 Hydrogen Chloride Gas + 6 crushed stone = 3 Calcium Chloride

[Blaquetooth]

The flow chart for refining shows the waste water from flotation looping back to acid for the next step. This works reasonably in all cases except one. Rubyite -> Nitric Waste Water -? Nitric Acid. It feels like there is a step or item missing.

If Blue Algae took Nitric Waste Water instead of Sulfuric, or there was another route from Nitric Waste Water to Nitric Acid (maybe through an oxide, idk) the process would feel more consistent with how the other ores are handled.

Or am I missing something obvious?