The perfect OCD compliant nuclear power plant! --- Now v2.4!

[xBlizzDevious]

Hello! I have just come across from this thread about my nuclear power issues: viewtopic.php?f=18&t=47663

Had a quick look and the system looks impressive and would store steam for more suitable power production. Would it be most efficient - and possible - for me to use a 4x4 reactor setup (with modded inserters for range) and for me to hack your controller logic into that system?

Ie. I can produce 2.56GW, but will only use half of that. Then as I consume more and more power, it will accommodate?

A 4x4 setup would be impossible in vanilla. With mods it would work fine if you find a inserter that reaches the inner 4.
The logic can be used almost without changing it. All you need to do is change the T-value and connect the inserters and chests of the reactors. The T-combinator can be found for easy use in the control section. In the picture of it it is the blue highlighted one.

This setup scales perfectly for low power consumption. You may need to fiddle with the steam threshold T though - to not have brown outs when coming from low power comsumption to very high demand because of heat lag.

EDIT: Remembered i wanted to include this into OP but always forgot. Did it now.

Awesome. Can I remove all of the roboports or are they required? As far as I can see, it's just for expansion, but I don't need that. I have lots of personal robots.

EDIT: Should have mentioned that I will be separating the reactors from the modules from your design. Obviously some roboports are required.

[Distelzombie]

Yea the roboports are needed for the logic to work.

[xBlizzDevious]

Yea the roboports are needed for the logic to work.

I think I figured out what needs what. Either way... I broke the game.

Like, actually broke the game. It doesn't like a 4x4 reactor configuration or something. I have my nuclear setup on its own power grid with a switch to send power through. As soon as I switched it on, it crashed the game.

The game then updated itself to 0.15.11 and I set everything up exactly as before (I saved just a few moments prior to the crash, thankfully) and switched it on again. Waited a few seconds and crash.

Going to do some testing to see if it happens without certain mods or if it does it even in vanilla. I'll post the results in the bugs reports forum if I can't figure it out.

EDIT: Yep... Happens in vanilla.

[mrvn]

Yea the roboports are needed for the logic to work.

I think I figured out what needs what. Either way... I broke the game.

Like, actually broke the game. It doesn't like a 4x4 reactor configuration or something. I have my nuclear setup on its own power grid with a switch to send power through. As soon as I switched it on, it crashed the game.

The game then updated itself to 0.15.11 and I set everything up exactly as before (I saved just a few moments prior to the crash, thankfully) and switched it on again. Waited a few seconds and crash.

Going to do some testing to see if it happens without certain mods or if it does it even in vanilla. I'll post the results in the bugs reports forum if I can't figure it out.

EDIT: Yep... Happens in vanilla.

In a 4x4 reactor design how do you plan to fuel the reactors? I can see this working if you manually drop in fuel but then you can't automate this.
Would be nice though. 16 reactors providing 64 times the power of a stand alone reactor thanks to bonuses.

[xBlizzDevious]

-snip-
In a 4x4 reactor design how do you plan to fuel the reactors? I can see this working if you manually drop in fuel but then you can't automate this.
Would be nice though. 16 reactors providing 64 times the power of a stand alone reactor thanks to bonuses.

I have a mod that adds inserters that can reach up to 10 tiles.

[xBlizzDevious]

PMed you about an issue but I think I should post here:

Pasting your "Extracted Reactor Logic" blueprint down and building it causes me to crash to desktop.
My modified version of the full reactor setup also caused the crash so I think there is a circuit network bug that's breaking the game. I've posted in the bug reports forum - link: viewtopic.php?f=7&t=47735&p=275371#p275371

[mophydeen]

factorio 0.15.11 changes heat pipe mechanics.

current setup has 1.0GW not 1.1GW?

[Distelzombie]

factorio 0.15.11 changes heat pipe mechanics.

current setup has 1.0GW not 1.1GW?

Youre right. Even worse. Apperentyl heat doesnt transfer as far anymore. I'll test this.

[MicFac]

Ok let me add to this quote of yours...

1.tick: 1R input from "when O = 1 then R", 1R ouput because the 1R input is < 600
Yes. BTW "when O = 1 then R" is combinator D
2.tick: 1R ouput because of a 1R input because "when O = 1 then R" doesnt output anything anymore, however the combinator has 1R input because of its own output from 1.tick.
Wrong assumption. D does output R = 1 all the time until it is shut down, over detours, by the clock reaching R = 598. Thats why I need a memory cell to store O =
1
3.tick: 1R input from its own output, so 1R output
The clock does output R into itself again, adding the R= 1 output to its R = 1 input from D - essentially adding 1 every tick
4.tick: 1R input again, so 1R ouput.
Now the clock outputs R= 2 and adds that to the R=1 value from D, outputting R=3 and so on ...

Now if the clock reaches R=598 the E combinator sends an O=1 signal to the memory - deleting it because now the O value is 2 in the second memory combinator - which stops the memory output of O=1 to D and D stops to output R=1 which gives the clock no value to add to its own saved R, stopping it.

But this is the same thing as I said in the post before. Sorry, I cant get more specific.

Sorry for being that inconvenient, I somehow forgot that R isnt just a one tick signal.

Ok, this is probably my last question: why is the combinator set to output after 9 and not a smaller number?

Meh. In testing the clock sometimes stopped later than R=2 or 5, so i used a save value.

Ok, thanks for answering all of my questions, it really helped, I understand pretty much all of it now

Im using the logic in my map now, here is a picture of it:

[Distelzombie]

factorio 0.15.11 changes heat pipe mechanics.

current setup has 1.0GW not 1.1GW?

Youre right. Even worse. Apperentyl heat doesnt transfer as far anymore. I'll test this.

I build another setup with fewer heatpipes. Still didnt get over 1GW... Its hard to build a good design now. This time its the turbines.

Ok... deconstruct and try again.

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And again ...

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Nope...

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IT JUST ISNT WORKING! AAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA *going mad here*

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[MasterBuilder]

IT JUST ISNT WORKING! AAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA *going mad here*

If you're limited by distance from the reactor, then you should be surrounding your reactor with exchangers, not branching further and further out.

This 8 reactor design is a stable 1.1GW [in 0.15.11]. I have it running right now and the outermost heat pipes are stable at 786c~.

[Distelzombie]

IT JUST ISNT WORKING! AAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA *going mad here*

If you're limited by distance from the reactor, then you should be surrounding your reactor with exchangers, not branching further and further out.

This 8 reactor design is a stable 1.1GW [in 0.15.11]. I have it running right now and the outermost heat pipes are stable at 786c~.

I tested it. The farthest away heatpipes only are slightly above 500°C and output shows 1.1GW but some turbines are not working perfectly.


Well, even this isnt at max power. This time its water.

[AndrewIRL]

Well, even this isnt at max power. This time its water.

Now that looks pretty. When I first read about nuclear in FFF ages ago, this is the kind of layout I expected to be needed. Looks like 0.15.11 has finally made the change to heat pipes to force these sorts of designs.

[Distelzombie]

I don't think it is very ocd compliant. I mean I don't like it.
But first I have to make this one work. Just have to throw more water in there somehow.
EDIT: It works with 1.1GW, but uses 48 pumps. :/
Scrap, redo...

[mophydeen]

IT JUST ISNT WORKING! AAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAA *going mad here*

If you're limited by distance from the reactor, then you should be surrounding your reactor with exchangers, not branching further and further out.

This 8 reactor design is a stable 1.1GW [in 0.15.11]. I have it running right now and the outermost heat pipes are stable at 786c~.

I like the smaller shore size.

[Distelzombie]

I like the smaller shore size.

It is actually bigger. It does produce maximum possible power. (1114.5, has one turbine less than p-ratio because its uneven number)

Anyway since I didnt like this one I build yet another one. This should look way better

[Distelzombie]

I found a good design and will update the OP in a while.

[mophydeen]

rotating blueprint:

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[Distelzombie]

Haha I know. That is to be expected.
Should I delete the instruction from the blueprint? They work in the standart rotatio though.

[mophydeen]

u sure v2 is working?

added fuel, robots waited then on nothing inserts.