[MOD 12.11+] Train Outposts

[sparr]

I occasionally get this error:

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Error while running the event handler: __TrainOutpost__/control.lua:320: attempt to compare number with nil

This is happening in handle_single_resource_in_region when resource_specs.min_distance is nil. I put in some debug prints and it's happening for all 14 resources in my bobs ores game, including the non-bobs resources.

Calling the reinit remote resolves the problem.

[sparr]

Separate compatibility observation with bobs ores:

My starting area with TO always has a small deposit of iron, coal, copper, stone, and a few of bobs ores. Sometimes more than a few. However, often some critical ore is missing from the starting area, and I have to send trains out much sooner than I otherwise would. In my current game the closest Galena (Lead+Nickel) patch is 1200 tiles away from start, and lead is required for, among other things, automating green science.

[AnarCon]

Can you tell me what you did that produced the error? I have not encountered this myself yet.

loaded a old save with the updated mode and tried exploring a new area which somehow unleashed this error as i recall

[wahming]

Would it be possible to add a dependency for the Uranium Power mod, and turn off infinite ores for uranium and fluoride? There simply isn't any need for all those eternal ore patches and building over them messes with us OCD players

[SirRichie]

Would it be possible to add a dependency for the Uranium Power mod, and turn off infinite ores for uranium and fluoride? There simply isn't any need for all those eternal ore patches and building over them messes with us OCD players

Why would a dependency be necessary?
As for the infinite resources: do you want everything to be infinite except the resources you stated? In that case I'd ask that you modify this yourself in the data-updates.lua, because this is a very specific customization.

[wahming]

Game crashed when testing out your mod in a new game.

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100% reproducibility: Load up the attached save, run east about 2 seconds, and boom.

Debugging: The resource triggering this bug is coal. So it doesn't seem like it's caused by another mod? Offhand, anyway.

[cyrin]

I occasionally get this error:

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Error while running the event handler: __TrainOutpost__/control.lua:320: attempt to compare number with nil

This is happening in handle_single_resource_in_region when resource_specs.min_distance is nil. I put in some debug prints and it's happening for all 14 resources in my bobs ores game, including the non-bobs resources.

Calling the reinit remote resolves the problem.

Also having this issue. Pending the mod author putting out a bug fix release, can you let us know the console function (?) you used to resolve this?

[SirRichie]

Hi, I provided the funtion a few posts up.
Also hoping I can resolve this soon

[cyrin]

Hi, I provided the funtion a few posts up.
Also hoping I can resolve this soon

Ah, this one!

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/c remote.call("TR", "reinit")

Thanks for the quick reply ^_^

[AnarCon]

still getting this error

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Error while running the event handler: __TrainOutpost__/control.lua:320: attempt to compare number with nil

[martingolding96]

Hi, I provided the funtion a few posts up.
Also hoping I can resolve this soon

Ah, this one!

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/c remote.call("TR", "reinit")

Thanks for the quick reply ^_^

will i need to re-enter this command every time i go on the save?

[joozek]

What are the plans on supporting 0.13? Will it take a lot of work / time or will it be straightforward?

[SirRichie]

There will definitely be 0.13 support. I looked at the changes and I do not think that there I will have to make any major adjustments.
As usual, my time is limited by real life though.

[Toch]

That would be great ! i love this mod

[daydev]

Hi everyone, I took a stab at updating the mod for 0.13 by request for Xterminator's "Building Big" let's play series, it was suggested I post it here too in case someone else is interested. If the author doesn't this unofficial update here, I'll delete the post. Obviously, no guarantees of buglessness, etc.

UPD: Fixed on_configuration_changed which apparently I broke and didn't notice it.

[SirRichie]

Hello everyone and thanks for the patience.
Starting today, I will upload a 0.13-ready version of the mod to the mod portal.
This also means that I will remove the download from the forum.

For legacy versions, please use the GitHub website, which I now have setup. I also appreciate any help/additions to the mod (thanks to daydev for an early version). Please use pull requests in GitHub for these things in the future.

One note for the current version: it seems that the devs changed the way can_place_entity works, which means that it may happen that resources and enemy bases are spawned in water. I will investigate this further.

I appreciate any testing and thanks for the comments so far.

[orzelek]

Hello everyone and thanks for the patience.
Starting today, I will upload a 0.13-ready version of the mod to the mod portal.
This also means that I will remove the download from the forum.

For legacy versions, please use the GitHub website, which I now have setup. I also appreciate any help/additions to the mod (thanks to daydev for an early version). Please use pull requests in GitHub for these things in the future.

One note for the current version: it seems that the devs changed the way can_place_entity works, which means that it may happen that resources and enemy bases are spawned in water. I will investigate this further.

I appreciate any testing and thanks for the comments so far.

The can place bug was only in early versions of 0.13 series.
It should be fixed in current versions (at least it behaves properly in RSO).

[SirRichie]

Thanks for letting me know. I use 0.13.13 for testing and get the bug. I checked RSO's code and saw no magic. Guess I will have to look a little deeper.

[Jupiter]

Hi Richie,
Your mod is precisely what I need. Will it be updated to be compatible with version 0.14 anytime soon? If yes then I'll wait before starting a new game

[NotABiter]

I second the request for an 0.14 version. (I just downloaded the latest Factorio and the 28 other mods I wanted to play my next game with, and then I remembered that this mod was key to my plans and... ouch - 0.13 only.)

BTW, some time ago I stated

for me there are three parts to having permanent outposts:
1. need for far-away resources
2. resources don't run out
3. a reason to not just kill all of the biters

and that your mod helped with #1 and #2 and I was going to try Natural Evolution to take care of #3. I found Natural Evolution to be overpowered (it's way too easy to remove all of your pollution) and problematic (from a challenging gameplay perspective) for other reasons and I still ended up with "one big base" so I gave up on that idea. But now I have found/tried the Armageddon mod and believe that it should really do the trick. It solves #3 by making killing all of the biters impossible - they can always "tunnel in" to your base, so you need defenses everywhere you have anything you need protected, not just one big outer wall. That mod solves the N^2 (available resources) vs 4*N (perimeter costs) problem that otherwise plagues Factorio, and it means that, as long as the resources are spread out (e.g. via your mod), the "one big base" solution is no longer remotely close to being optimal - outposts should actually become the more optimal solution, even if you (like I do) militarize your rails (effectively turning them into walls).

Full mod list and "most recommended" (bolded) for anyone who's interested:

mod list

Mods that are available for 0.14 right now:

AfraidOfTheDark - more light
Armageddon - tunneling biters (and Biterzilla)
AutoTrash - save/restore personal logistics settings
Blueprint Items Request - issue personal logistics requests for all items needed to build a blueprint
blueprint-string - save/load blueprints as strings
CircuitAlerter - programmable alerts
color-picker - required for one of the other mods
CopyPaste Multiplier
DayNightExtender - a good way to nerf solar, also makes day/night cycle less annoying
Drones - remote drones for viewing/manipulating (haven't really tried this one yet - might be OP and if you really like to travel around in your trains you might not want this one)
FactorioExtended - some straightforward upgrades (including radars) - not overpowered like Bob's (in fact, much of the top-tier stuff you might choose to not use because it's so expensive to make)
Fastforward-Start - skip some boring gameplay at game start
filtered-deconstruction-planner - should be good for using bots to collect artifacts without mining trees/rocks (if I can ever figure out how to get it to work)
ItemCount - fix for Factorio's item count which is essentially broken out-of-the-box
moweather - very good for immersion, also nerfs solar as cloudy days result in a lot less solar power
Omnibarrels - barrel any liquid
PeppeBotStart - start with 10 personal bots (avoid start-of-game tree-clearing pain)
Rampant - makes biters smarter (actually works!)
Swarm - makes biters tougher
TimeTools - speed/slow time
tree_collision - walk between trees easier (makes trees far less annoying - probably lets biters get through easier as well, but that's cool)
upgrade-planner - automate upgrades (haven't used this one yet)

Mods that are still stuck at 0.13 for now (so I'm not using any of these at present, but would like to):

Advanced_Personal_Roboports - more personal robots, bigger construction area
expanded_tools - make better/faster pick-axes
Flare - shoot a flare to light 'em up
picker - quick-select item from inventory
TrainOutpost

Not in above lists:
FARL
That's right. I don't FARL. Stuff just teleporting into place (while a train flies along no less) bugs me. I do use plenty of personal roboports. Maybe I'll use one of those mods that lets me put them in my trains...