[0.12.x][v0.12.10] Bob's Logistics mod

[orzelek]

This polls sucks.

I'm for the third option but it don't seem to be the majority.
Why do you even start with this K&L nonsense.

I hope there will be a config option to disable this inserters.

Because using hotkeys with inserters is much more convenient at least for some of us.
GUI is an addition if you want very precise control or exotic inserter placement.

[aklesey1]

I think may be we need one - ultra inserter which will have all options and 3 varinats - we can call it - WISE INSERETER
1) Filter variant
2) Stack variant
3) Stack-filter variant

P. S. When researching combinators technology all inserters must be smart as default when connecting to circuit network - and all inserters must have filter when researching combinators technology

Possibility to change speed when we researched express inserter technology - i thinks it'll be very helpful option
Possibility to change pick and put modes
Possibility to choose pick and put positions from all of 24 places - combination of short and long work positions

P. S. Yes i understand - here's 576x2x3 possible entities for inserters (2 because far and near modes and 3 because filter and stack and stack-filter varinats) - it's really big work, but lyravega, author of K&L inserters mod, already did the same work - 1 big problem - the mod it "weighs" too much

K&L to much inserter have most of these options but now we don't have smart inserters, we have stack inserters instead of it, here is new little discomfort


Adding filter inserters in 0.13 version it was a controversial issue - we already have very smart instrument - the combinators! - and inserters is our Hands! Let's think about new life for it

For now - big thanks to bobingabout for inserters mod, i'll wait for continuing

[DOSorDIE]

When the inserter have a GUI now, why i need soooo many inserters.
Cut it down to the basic ... the rest will we make with GUI.
And give ALL in the same menu. Now there is 2 different.


Another thing:
The Red undergrund belt need 1 more size to be the same like 2x yellow underground belts.
And the Iron/Copper/Stone Underground pipe too. To fit in the system.

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Thanks!

[ukezi]

I think that is a good idea with he length increase. The express should have the length of 3 normals. I reckon for inserters we only need slow, fast,stack, filter and stack-filter variants of short and long. I'm not certain about long stack, filter and stack-filter inserters. near/far can be done completely with gui/short keys. I think we should keep long inserters as separate objects, because than you don't have to configure that much.

[Aonova]

I second ukezi. Anyways, here are some thoughts of mine: there are 4 tiers of inserers right? {burner-normal-fast-express}. Not too sure how 0.13 changes the orginization, but fast and express intserters should have filter and stack variants. All inserters should have long variants. Near-far should be done by hotkeys and gui, as should pick-up direction. The total list of inserters would be thus:
*(long) burner inserter
*(long) inserter
*(long) standard fast inserter
*(long) filter fast inserter
*(long) stack fast inserter
*(long) standard express inserter
*(long) filter express inserter
*(long) stack express inserter
Meaning only 16 inserters total. Definately managable, for those who fear K&L heaviness.

[pieppiep]

I second ukezi. Anyways, here are some thoughts of mine: there are 4 tiers of inserers right? {burner-normal-fast-express}. Not too sure how 0.13 changes the orginization, but fast and express intserters should have filter and stack variants. All inserters should have long variants. Near-far should be done by hotkeys and gui, as should pick-up direction. The total list of inserters would be thus:
*(long) burner inserter
*(long) inserter
*(long) standard fast inserter
*(long) filter fast inserter
*(long) stack fast inserter
*(long) standard express inserter
*(long) filter express inserter
*(long) stack express inserter
Meaning only 16 inserters total. Definately managable, for those who fear K&L heaviness.

No filter stack inserters?

[bobingabout]

Since once you research long inserters, changing an inserter from normal to long can be done with a small keyboard combination, I'm not sure it's even necessary to have long versions anymore.
After researching Long inserters, Just point to an inserter, hold shift, and press L to change the input to long, and then N to change the output to long... or N twice if you also know Near inserters technology.
Placing lots of longs? well, point to a long, hold shift and press RMB to copy the config, then, while still holding shift, point to the next you want to be long, and press LMB, which will copy the config... and open the GUI, which is why people want me to change the GUI hotkey to something else.
I'm thinking SHIFT + E.

[aklesey1]

Since once you research long inserters, changing an inserter from normal to long can be done with a small keyboard combination, I'm not sure it's even necessary to have long versions anymore.
After researching Long inserters, Just point to an inserter, hold shift, and press L to change the input to long, and then N to change the output to long... or N twice if you also know Near inserters technology.
Placing lots of longs? well, point to a long, hold shift and press RMB to copy the config, then, while still holding shift, point to the next you want to be long, and press LMB, which will copy the config... and open the GUI, which is why people want me to change the GUI hotkey to something else.
I'm thinking SHIFT + E.

U want to say - there\s no long inserters in your mod now?
And what if i want short pick position but long put position - is it possible?

[DOSorDIE]

Yes ... i have try it.
And 45 and 90 Degres also possible.

We need only the same like in Basic Factorio + the faster Version of it.

[Nexela]

Yes with bobs inserters you can do a short in long out fast inserter that put things on the near side of a corner belt 45 degrees from where you picked it up from!

And all that without adding new inserter types!


PS Bob I still vote the gui opens with the circuit gui instead of a hotkey

[bobingabout]

PS Bob I still vote the gui opens with the circuit gui instead of a hotkey

The problem with this is the position. if oriented center as it is now, it apears on top of the other gui, and can't be moved. You need to close it to see the default one.
If on the other hand you change it's position, it looks ugly. I tried left, and it apeared almost center top for me.

[orzelek]

I changed default gui to ctrl+lmb since it has no default behavior for inserters.

@aklesey1
This mod can do same as K&L and it doesn't need any new entities for that - it's a new feature added in 0.13. As a bonus they blueprint correctly and you can copy/paste settings between them.

@Aonova
That list of inserters looks good. Stack inserters have 1 filter slot by default so there should be no need for special stack-filter inserter.

[bobingabout]

That list of inserters looks good. Stack inserters have 1 filter slot by default so there should be no need for special stack-filter inserter.

Stack-filter inserters are a thing that exists already, and by default have only one slot.
A stack inserter has no filters.

The problem with filter inserters, is that they will never move anything at all unless they either have a filter, or are told to activate by a circuit condition. so there is a big difference between filter, and non-filter inserters, stack or otherwise.

[cpw]

Hi Bob, one of the things I had in my patch was a change so robochests could provide circuit signals. I thought it made useful sense to add it to something in the "separated robonetwork parts", otherwise you have to have a roboport in every network you want to read circuit conditions from. Is this intended? I am using it to read robot counts from the sub-network, and don't want a big roboport in it when it's got everything it needs via the separated parts.

Just noticed this when I updated to your latest logistics.

Edit: posted to right thread this time *sigh*

[bobingabout]

It was intentional that I missed it off.
I was considering, but haven't done yet, adding a new type of entity that is basically a roboport that allows you to connect wires to it, but otherwise does nothing. as a component.

[cpw]

OK, that makes sense. I hope that the distinct parts do get a way to monitor the network.

[Aonova]

I couldn't find a dedicated thread for bob inserters, so I'll post my thoughts here.

My first impressions: freaking amazing, why doesn't the base game have this?

Thoughts for improvements:
*Allow pressing "e" to close GUI, like every other entity GUI. ATM I think pressing "e" opens the inventory atop the inserter GUI. Minor annoyance.
*Incorporate near/far capability to GUI

example

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*Is it possible for mods to access the game menus? On the off chance that it is, hotkey configs could be added to the options pane.
*Long handed inserters are totally obsolete, some sort of removal/replacement script?
*Orginization of inserter techs (Maybe a green science tech for allowing the GUI, and removal of all obsolete techs)

On the topic of integration into logistics mod, I am a supporter of the idea. It would allow better cohesion since they cover very similar stuff. Atm, inserters are basically a standalone mod. I think there should remain a standalone inserter mod for whoever wants to play an enhanced vanilla, but bob logistics mod should be updated with an integrated version of inserters mods, which would be updated to run along side the rest of bob logistics.

[DRY411S]

Bob Logisitics 0.13.4 is causing the game to crash. I verified this by removing it from the mods folder, then restarting Factorio successfully.

Factorio log suggests an error in technology-functions.lua line 24.

Factorio Log

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   0.284 Loading mod core 0.0.0 (data.lua)
   0.287 Loading mod base 0.13.5 (data.lua)
   0.351 Loading mod bobconfig 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.389 Loading mod boblibrary 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.428 Loading mod bobenemies 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.473 Loading mod bobores 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.524 Loading mod bobtech 0.13.0 (data.lua)
   0.572 Loading mod bobplates 0.13.2 (data.lua)
   0.633 Loading mod bobelectronics 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.683 Loading mod bobgreenhouse 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.739 Loading mod boblogistics 0.13.4 (data.lua)
   0.817 Loading mod bobmining 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.882 Loading mod bobpower 0.13.1 (data.lua)
   0.961 Loading mod bobrevamp 0.13.0 (data.lua)
   1.035 Loading mod bobmodules 0.13.0 (data.lua)
   1.124 Loading mod bobwarfare 0.13.4 (data.lua)
   1.214 Loading mod bobconfig 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   1.300 Loading mod bobenemies 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   1.404 Loading mod bobores 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   1.489 Loading mod bobtech 0.13.0 (data-updates.lua)
   1.578 Loading mod bobplates 0.13.2 (data-updates.lua)
   1.681 Loading mod bobelectronics 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   1.767 Loading mod bobgreenhouse 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   1.858 Loading mod boblogistics 0.13.4 (data-updates.lua)
   1.861 Script technology-functions.lua:24: Technology inserter-stack-size-bonus-4 does not exist.
   1.966 Loading mod bobmining 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   2.053 Loading mod bobpower 0.13.1 (data-updates.lua)
   2.147 Loading mod bobrevamp 0.13.0 (data-updates.lua)
   2.255 Loading mod bobmodules 0.13.0 (data-updates.lua)
   2.347 Loading mod bobwarfare 0.13.4 (data-updates.lua)
   2.459 Loading mod bobelectronics 0.13.1 (data-final-fixes.lua)
   2.554 Checksum for core: 714099156
   2.554 Checksum for mod base: 2397217527
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobconfig: 3903115925
   2.554 Checksum for mod boblibrary: 3719200648
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobtechsave: 0
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobenemies: 236131212
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobores: 3064781262
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobtech: 84910783
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobplates: 996338412
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobelectronics: 718470343
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobgreenhouse: 1429899959
   2.554 Checksum for mod boblogistics: 2182177295
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobmining: 3435149013
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobpower: 2782224193
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobrevamp: 1272453139
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobmodules: 2066445511
   2.554 Checksum for mod bobwarfare: 1061803940
   3.096 Error Util.cpp:57: Error in assignID, technology with name 'stack-inserter' does not exist.

[bobingabout]

*Allow pressing "e" to close GUI, like every other entity GUI. ATM I think pressing "e" opens the inventory atop the inserter GUI. Minor annoyance.

I haven't found if there's a way to detect that yet, short of creating an entire new hotkey to look for it.

*Incorporate near/far capability to GUI

It already is, you just have to research the appropriate technology to unlock it. Near Inserters.

*Is it possible for mods to access the game menus? On the off chance that it is, hotkey configs could be added to the options pane.

not that I'm aware of, though there already is a mods section in the controls menu for changing mod hotkey keybinds.

*Long handed inserters are totally obsolete, some sort of removal/replacement script?

They will be removed eventually, yes. This is still in the early stages of development.

On the topic of integration into logistics mod, I am a supporter of the idea. It would allow better cohesion since they cover very similar stuff. Atm, inserters are basically a standalone mod. I think there should remain a standalone inserter mod for whoever wants to play an enhanced vanilla, but bob logistics mod should be updated with an integrated version of inserters mods, which would be updated to run along side the rest of bob logistics.

not a bad idea really.

Bob Logisitics 0.13.4 is causing the game to crash. I verified this by removing it from the mods folder, then restarting Factorio successfully.

Factorio log suggests an error in technology-functions.lua line 24.

I know what I did wrong... I'm silly. that's just a warning message though, that's not what is causing the error.

one of the later versions of 0.13 adds a seperate stack inserter research, that my new express stack inserters looks for.

so if you're getting the error, updating the base game will fix this issue.

I'll put in a little check to see if the research exists before depending on it. if it does it'll depend on that, if not, it'll depend on the things that it would depend on if it existed.

[Tyrindor]

Just happened upon the inserter mod, totally hoping it gets merged into logistics mod and all the obsolete inserters get removed. So much nicer than having 20 different inserters.

Just a thought, but perhaps limit the long reach to fast inserters and above only. That way the vanilla long reach inserters are a cheaper viable option. Right now it makes the vanilla long handed inserter completely pointless and more expensive than the standard inserter.