Development and Discussion

[OvermindDL1]

I didn't really pay attention to the "wood from algae" chain previously, but I'm looking at it now that it's easier to set up than greenhouses and... it looks like it's wood-negative (at least if you have Bob's mods)? 5 synthetic wood, which is the equivalent of 2.5 logs, requires 3 resin, which has to be made from 3 logs. Am I missing something?

Not if you use algae (which you will want to, you get a *lot* of mineralized water from ore processing as output, which is used to make algae), then you will need algae and 3 resin (3 logs) to make 5 synthetic wood (planks), so it is a gain on wood, not loss, however "Bio Processing 2" research allows you to make natural wood planks (unless the recipe name is wrong? I'm just finishing researching it) from pure algae and either 'Sodium Hydroxide' (which you get tons of from normal ore processing), or Chlor methane (we have an abundance of chlorine from processing too, but that is easy to vent), so no wood input required at all, however it only makes the wood planks and I am not seeing a way to get resin from algae (not sure that makes sense), but that does mean *significantly* less Bio Tree Farms needed as the only use for wood then is just resin (woot!) as I will be getting probably *too*much* algae/wood from just side effects of ore processing (can always turn into circuits, no such thing as too many wood planks, but would still like some way to get resin, maybe from the algae/plastic line?) (EDIT0: And algae can make plastics with later research too, but I think it is blue research, which in my modpack is... difficult to get...) (EDIT1: It is synthetic wood too, cool, just a naming oddity of the recipe)


Either way, picture time:

Zoom-out of base, Stiratite processing on right, Saphirite processing in middle, the output ores processed on left

Output ore processing area, temp warehouse storage, building up the ore processing lines for the stock-bobs ores directly now

[kiba]

I noticed mark 2 processing plan is slightly larger than mark 2 in its hitbox. Is that intentional?

[Arch666Angel]

I didn't really pay attention to the "wood from algae" chain previously, but I'm looking at it now that it's easier to set up than greenhouses and... it looks like it's wood-negative (at least if you have Bob's mods)? 5 synthetic wood, which is the equivalent of 2.5 logs, requires 3 resin, which has to be made from 3 logs. Am I missing something?

The point that the synthetic wood is made from Oil and that you can exchange/mix the resin from wood with the resin from oil. So it should be a way to supplement your production if you have wood but not enough and the other way around with heavy oil.

I didn't really pay attention to the "wood from algae" chain previously, but I'm looking at it now that it's easier to set up than greenhouses and... it looks like it's wood-negative (at least if you have Bob's mods)? 5 synthetic wood, which is the equivalent of 2.5 logs, requires 3 resin, which has to be made from 3 logs. Am I missing something?

Not if you use algae (which you will want to, you get a *lot* of mineralized water from ore processing as output, which is used to make algae), then you will need algae and 3 resin (3 logs) to make 5 synthetic wood (planks), so it is a gain on wood, not loss, however "Bio Processing 2" research allows you to make natural wood planks (unless the recipe name is wrong? I'm just finishing researching it) from pure algae and either 'Sodium Hydroxide' (which you get tons of from normal ore processing), or Chlor methane (we have an abundance of chlorine from processing too, but that is easy to vent), so no wood input required at all, however it only makes the wood planks and I am not seeing a way to get resin from algae (not sure that makes sense), but that does mean *significantly* less Bio Tree Farms needed as the only use for wood then is just resin (woot!) as I will be getting probably *too*much* algae/wood from just side effects of ore processing (can always turn into circuits, no such thing as too many wood planks, but would still like some way to get resin, maybe from the algae/plastic line?) (EDIT0: And algae can make plastics with later research too, but I think it is blue research, which in my modpack is... difficult to get...) (EDIT1: It is synthetic wood too, cool, just a naming oddity of the recipe)

It's a first step, I have to look into it if you can make resin from algae. But another obvious step would be bio fuels and plastics like you already mentioned. Btw for the moment you can get rid of unwanted liquids by pumping them into a steam engine.

I noticed mark 2 processing plan is slightly larger than mark 2 in its hitbox. Is that intentional?

Nope that is not intentional, fixing it right now.

---0.1.6
-Ore Processing: fixed collision box for the higher tiers of the processing plant

[OvermindDL1]

Btw for the moment you can get rid of unwanted liquids by pumping them into a steam engine.

Yep, Factorio's Steam Engines have always been great at voiding unwanted fluids. ^.^

[OvermindDL1]

So... why are all the liquids you add colored orange? Purified water is orange. Mineralized water is orange. Waste water is orange (this one could make a little sense since it has sulfur in it...). Etc...

[Arch666Angel]

That will be changed for the next, I just wanted to get the next thing out I will try to colour them according to the icons, so mineralized greyish, sulphur water yellowish, etc. I'm doing a test play myself at the moment, to see how the changes feel Is your apprentice already vomiting from rebuilding the processing all over? (I feel so sorry for him :/ )

[OvermindDL1]

That will be changed for the next, I just wanted to get the next thing out I will try to colour them according to the icons, so mineralized greyish, sulphur water yellowish, etc. I'm doing a test play myself at the moment, to see how the changes feel Is your apprentice already vomiting from rebuilding the processing all over? (I feel so sorry for him :/ )

Lol, not yet, and he is about to tear down a *large* chunk of it to rebuild it again so he can line things up better. Here is his current mess before the tear-down (the bottom algae processing is my doing, the rest is his).

Current Mess

[Arch666Angel]

That will be changed for the next, I just wanted to get the next thing out I will try to colour them according to the icons, so mineralized greyish, sulphur water yellowish, etc. I'm doing a test play myself at the moment, to see how the changes feel Is your apprentice already vomiting from rebuilding the processing all over? (I feel so sorry for him :/ )

Lol, not yet, and he is about to tear down a *large* chunk of it to rebuild it again so he can line things up better. Here is his current mess before the tear-down (the bottom algae processing is my doing, the rest is his).

Current Mess

Looks good, needs more saturation Which wood recipes are you using?

I'm still early in

My Setup

[KorGgenT]

I have found an interesting bug. When using productivity modules in Filtration Units, it copies the filter frame.

[OvermindDL1]

I have found an interesting bug. When using productivity modules in Filtration Units, it copies the filter frame.

Ah, heh, any recipes with filter frames should probably have productivity effects added to the blacklisted modules list to keep them from being duplicatable. ;-P

EDIT0: If bobsmods is detected then you can use his module limitations functionality by just using (if existing) bobslibrary and calling:

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bobmods.lib.add_productivity_limitation("module-case")

But for whichever items you want to prevent productivity on. This way it will prevent it for all modules with productivity, including raw productivity and god modules and all modules higher than normal vanilla levels.

EDIT1: Bob actually puts many calls to that behind a cheaty allow option if you want to follow his pattern: bobmods.config.modules.EnableProductivityLimitation

[Arch666Angel]

I have found an interesting bug. When using productivity modules in Filtration Units, it copies the filter frame.

Ah, heh, any recipes with filter frames should probably have productivity effects added to the blacklisted modules list to keep them from being duplicatable. ;-P

EDIT0: If bobsmods is detected then you can use his module limitations functionality by just using (if existing) bobslibrary and calling:

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bobmods.lib.add_productivity_limitation("module-case")

But for whichever items you want to prevent productivity on. This way it will prevent it for all modules with productivity, including raw productivity and god modules and all modules higher than normal vanilla levels.

EDIT1: Bob actually puts many calls to that behind a cheaty allow option if you want to follow his pattern: bobmods.config.modules.EnableProductivityLimitation

I'd rather remove the productivity from the filtration entity, because all recipes that are made in the filter will run into that issue and it will work without bobs

[Speadge]

hey angel,

sorry to ask, but why did u remove the old gfx from 0.12.3?
i know it used parts of the rocketsilo, but i kinda liked it...

so im not so happy with rebuilding the factory now for fitting new sizes...

[kingoftheinternet]

I didn't really pay attention to the "wood from algae" chain previously, but I'm looking at it now that it's easier to set up than greenhouses and... it looks like it's wood-negative (at least if you have Bob's mods)? 5 synthetic wood, which is the equivalent of 2.5 logs, requires 3 resin, which has to be made from 3 logs. Am I missing something?

The point that the synthetic wood is made from Oil and that you can exchange/mix the resin from wood with the resin from oil. So it should be a way to supplement your production if you have wood but not enough and the other way around with heavy oil.

Heavy oil and logs have the same exchange rates for (synthetic) wood and resin; rather than use 3 heavy oil to make 3 resin and get 5 synthetic wood from the algae chain, I could've just used that 3 heavy oil to make 6 synthetic wood directly. I'm still unclear on which situation I'd want to use this in, since I can always make more "wood" by turning whichever resource directly into wood rather than into resin as an intermediate.

[kiba]

Hello. Can't find lead ingot despite being on processing ore level 3 researched.

[Pandemoneus]

Hello. Can't find lead ingot despite being on processing ore level 3 researched.

I'm pretty sure you need to have Lead Processing 3 researched.

[kiba]

Hello. Can't find lead ingot despite being on processing ore level 3 researched.

I'm pretty sure you need to have Lead Processing 3 researched.

Don't see one.

[Arch666Angel]

Hello. Can't find lead ingot despite being on processing ore level 3 researched.

I'm pretty sure you need to have Lead Processing 3 researched.

Don't see one.

Depends on the version, in 0.1.4 they were scattered behind the individual ores processing tech, like lead processing 2 and 3. With 0.1.5 all the processing recipes were moved into the ore-processing technology to have less techs overall and less clutter. So with ore-processing-3 you should have almost all the processing recipes, if not there maybe an error in my migration script. Did you upgrade from an older version? Did you start a new game with the current version? An which recipes is missing, the processed to ingot, or ingot to plate?

[kiba]

Hello. Can't find lead ingot despite being on processing ore level 3 researched.

I'm pretty sure you need to have Lead Processing 3 researched.

Don't see one.

Depends on the version, in 0.1.4 they were scattered behind the individual ores processing tech, like lead processing 2 and 3. With 0.1.5 all the processing recipes were moved into the ore-processing technology to have less techs overall and less clutter. So with ore-processing-3 you should have almost all the processing recipes, if not there maybe an error in my migration script. Did you upgrade from an older version? Did you start a new game with the current version? An which recipes is missing, the processed to ingot, or ingot to plate?

processed to ingot is missing. Upgraded to 1.6 on existing map.

[Madd_Mugsy]

Cool mod! I've been looking for more interesting logistics for ore processing and this has it in spades

I found that it causes an error in the landfill mod though. When you try to use the water-be-gone tool, it crashes the game because it can't find the "stone" entity.

This line in Landfill's control.lua is the culprit:

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        player.surface.create_entity({name = "stone", position = {x * 32, y * 32}, force = force}).destroy()

However, if I change it to this:

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        player.surface.create_entity({name = "angels-ore1", position = {x * 32, y * 32}, force = force}).destroy()

then everything works again. So I'm guessing it has something to do with the way that stone is being prevented from spawning on the map?

The water bomb also references the "stone" entity, so I'd assume it will cause a similar crash.

[Pandemoneus]

Hey Angel,

I updated your mods in my modpack on an existing map. I see that you added brown catalysts. From the mod files I see that they are unlocked in Advanced Refining I, but I can't find them in any tab. Iron powder and stone powder seem to be missing too.

[edit]
Well, nevermind. I just started a new map.