[MOD 1.1] Natural Evolution - All things Alien!

[orzelek]

I took a quick look in the code and there is something trange with this error.

Technically player object exists and it's connected flag is correct but player.character is most likely invalid. Not sure what check would be needed for that - might be enough to check if player.character is valid in line 137. I have no means to test this tho so it's a bit of a guess.

You would need to change line 137 to this:

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if player.connected and player.character.valid then

and then try to test it by reproducing the issue.

[dreadxx990]

I took a quick look in the code and there is something trange with this error.

Technically player object exists and it's connected flag is correct but player.character is most likely invalid. Not sure what check would be needed for that - might be enough to check if player.character is valid in line 137. I have no means to test this tho so it's a bit of a guess.

You would need to change line 137 to this:

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if player.connected and player.character.valid then

and then try to test it by reproducing the issue.

It seem working and successfully, thank you Orzelek.

[Ringkeeper]

Activating the mod late in the game is a baaaad idea Specially, when you forgot to install all modules and only had the first module installed....
i activated the other 2 when my evolution was on 90% .... 30 seconds later my base was pretty much gone

Even 3 rows of laser at a kinda small gap (24 laser in total) couldn't stop the waves of advanced, mutated aliens. They just rushed through. Was funny to watch. Now i have to figure out, how to stop them before i activate the third module again..... maybe first clear the hundreds of bases in reach of my pollution, that i kinda ignored so far^^

[Vazan]

Hello , for start ur mod is really Awesome but since the update 0.12.25 it's stop working . it's have a trouble with dependency detection and after i almost correct it it's have a trouble of Null value.

Can u help me i want to continue to use it because it's really AWESOME !

[GrimerX]

Hello , for start ur mod is really Awesome but since the update 0.12.25 it's stop working . it's have a trouble with dependency detection and after i almost correct it it's have a trouble of Null value.

Can u help me i want to continue to use it because it's really AWESOME !

You need to unzip the mod and edit info.json - Factorio looks to have gotten more strict with it's token parsing.

SupremeWarfare >= 1.0.5"]
^ Make sure you have spaces around >=

[mir13]

hi) when i turn on peaceful mode, some bitter atack my base, command
/c game.peaceful_mode = true
/c game.forces['enemy'].kill_all_units()
not help... heeeelp me))

[orzelek]

hi) when i turn on peaceful mode, some bitter atack my base, command
/c game.peaceful_mode = true
/c game.forces['enemy'].kill_all_units()
not help... heeeelp me))

I'd say that paceful mode is not compatible with this mod. It means to make enemies more dangerous.
Those enemies might be spawned or directed by mod itself - they won't respect that setting then.

[Thronwen]

Hey there,

with the latest release the evolution factors are the same as in vanilla.
I fixed that by simply removing the part, that checks for dytech in the Expansion module:

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---- Evolution Modifications ----------------------------------
if NEConfig.EvolutionFactor then
 	--if NEConfig.mod.DyTechWar and NEConfig.DyTechWar_Evo_override then <---- the if clause seems wrong
		-- TIME: Only 75% of vanilla
		-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every second (60 ticks). Default = 0.000004
		data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].time_factor = 0.000003

		-- POLLUTION: Four times the vanilla Pollution Evolution, so don't pollute!
		-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for 1000 PU. Default = 0.000015          
		data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].pollution_factor = 0.00006

		-- KILLING EMENY SPAWNERS: 10% of vanilla. You are going to kill a lot more bases...
		-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every destroyed spawner. Default = 0.002
		data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].destroy_factor = 0.0002

	--end
end

It seems the if clause is not returning the right result without dytech installed.
Just wanted to let you know.

Greetings,
Thronwen

[WhatTheDuck]

Hey there,

with the latest release the evolution factors are the same as in vanilla.
I fixed that by simply removing the part, that checks for dytech in the Expansion module:

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---- Evolution Modifications ----------------------------------
if NEConfig.EvolutionFactor then
 	--if NEConfig.mod.DyTechWar and NEConfig.DyTechWar_Evo_override then <---- the if clause seems wrong
		-- TIME: Only 75% of vanilla
		-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every second (60 ticks). Default = 0.000004
		data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].time_factor = 0.000003

		-- POLLUTION: Four times the vanilla Pollution Evolution, so don't pollute!
		-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for 1000 PU. Default = 0.000015          
		data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].pollution_factor = 0.00006

		-- KILLING EMENY SPAWNERS: 10% of vanilla. You are going to kill a lot more bases...
		-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every destroyed spawner. Default = 0.002
		data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].destroy_factor = 0.0002

	--end
end

It seems the if clause is not returning the right result without dytech installed.
Just wanted to let you know.

Greetings,
Thronwen

Can someone confirm this? How can i check ingame which rates are active? Does i have to delete the data-final-fixes.lua or modify something in the file?
Thx for help

[orzelek]

It does look a bit strange indeed and that file is only one that checks if EvolutionFactor changes are active.

You need to change it to whats posted above - there are two -- added in if line and on the end line near bottom. They remove that condition.

You can use command like this from console to see current value:

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/c game.player.print(game.map_settings.enemy_evolution.time_factor)

[WhatTheDuck]

Ok, thx for your answer, but i m still confused, sorry.........


This is his File:

---- Evolution Modifications ----------------------------------
if NEConfig.EvolutionFactor then
--if NEConfig.mod.DyTechWar and NEConfig.DyTechWar_Evo_override then <---- the if clause seems wrong
-- TIME: Only 75% of vanilla
-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every second (60 ticks). Default = 0.000004
data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].time_factor = 0.000003

-- POLLUTION: Four times the vanilla Pollution Evolution, so don't pollute!
-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for 1000 PU. Default = 0.000015
data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].pollution_factor = 0.00006

-- KILLING EMENY SPAWNERS: 10% of vanilla. You are going to kill a lot more bases...
-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every destroyed spawner. Default = 0.002
data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].destroy_factor = 0.0002

--end
end

and this mine

---- Evolution Modifications ----------------------------------
if NEConfig.EvolutionFactor then
if NEConfig.mod.DyTechWar and NEConfig.DyTechWar_Evo_override then
-- TIME: Only 75% of vanilla
-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every second (60 ticks). Default = 0.000004
data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].time_factor = 0.000003

-- POLLUTION: Four times the vanilla Pollution Evolution, so don't pollute!
-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for 1000 PU. Default = 0.000015
data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].pollution_factor = 0.00006

-- KILLING EMENY SPAWNERS: 10% of vanilla. You are going to kill a lot more bases...
-- percentual increase in the evolve factor for every destroyed spawner. Default = 0.002
data.raw["map-settings"]["map-settings"]["enemy_evolution"].destroy_factor = 0.0002

end
end
---- END Evolution Modifications ----------------------------------

*2 Minutes later*

ah i got it now , i don't know much about programming and didnt got it that you mean "--" when you wrote "--". Just thought its a random part of the sentence .
So i have to write "--" in front of the "if" and "--" in front of the "end" after thats its not anymore a part of the code its just a part of the description, am i right?

Thx for your help guys : )

[donkeystealing]

I have a question, do any of bobs enemies, natural evolution, misanthrope work with each other? I know they do different things with enemies and evolution factor, wondering if there's any compatibility between these?

[orzelek]

I have a question, do any of bobs enemies, natural evolution, misanthrope work with each other? I know they do different things with enemies and evolution factor, wondering if there's any compatibility between these?

Bobs enemies and natural evolution work without problems. Not sure about misanthrope since I'm not using it.

[WhatTheDuck]

I have a question, do any of bobs enemies, natural evolution, misanthrope work with each other? I know they do different things with enemies and evolution factor, wondering if there's any compatibility between these?

I tested misanthrope first and play now with natural evolution, in my opinion N.E. is better. I wouldnt mixed both of them, even if it would work, because that throw up the balancing. And misanthrope is really bad if you use RSO, because the enemies will attack your railways and it isnt really enjoyable if you have to defend every square of your train system.
NE is really hard if you are new to the game, a friend and me have 20 hours in one savegame with NE and we are on 50 % evolution and got enough problems to defend and killing enemy bases.NE with bobs work great. Also Supreme Warfare is a nice addition to defend your base, but you have to buff the damage in the mod files, because enemys get buffed through N.E. but the tower of the mod doesnt.

[donkeystealing]

Bobs enemies and natural evolution work without problems. Not sure about misanthrope since I'm not using it.

I see, thanks for the answer. And the mod!

I tested misanthrope first and play now with natural evolution, in my opinion N.E. is better. I wouldnt mixed both of them, even if it would work, because that throw up the balancing. And misanthrope is really bad if you use RSO, because the enemies will attack your railways and it isnt really enjoyable if you have to defend every square of your train system.
NE is really hard if you are new to the game, a friend and me have 20 hours in one savegame with NE and we are on 50 % evolution and got enough problems to defend and killing enemy bases.NE with bobs work great. Also Supreme Warfare is a nice addition to defend your base, but you have to buff the damage in the mod files, because enemys get buffed through N.E. but the tower of the mod doesnt.

Thanks for the great explaination. I have less than 15 hours played, and I've been using bobs mods from the start and its been a great learning curve, but want to add another warfare element. I'll use N.E. since it seems better with RSO, bobs mods and balance.

[TheSAguy]

Update to 5.0.6,

I have not played in a long time, but feel the itch coming back.
Made some updates since last release. Thanks to those reporting the bugs and especially those giving the fixes

Fixed the player check reported here - Thanks Orzelek
Fixed mod check reported here - Thanks GrimerX
Fixed expansion check reported here - Thanks FRodrigues42 & Thronwen
Though expansion module should probably not be used with Dytech, since Dytech has it's own evolution settings.

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hi) when i turn on peaceful mode, some bitter atack my base, command
/c game.peaceful_mode = true
/c game.forces['enemy'].kill_all_units()
not help... heeeelp me))

I'd say that paceful mode is not compatible with this mod. It means to make enemies more dangerous.
Those enemies might be spawned or directed by mod itself - they won't respect that setting then.

Totally agree with orzelek, why use my mod if you want peaceful biters

[Murlocking]

Would this mod be compatible with these mods?

Bob's Enemies
5Dim Mod - Battlefield
Swarm
Rescaled Evolution Factor

Really only want this mod for the small alien artifacts, the other features might be cool too, but I'm not a fan of breeding aliens race.

Do you have a smaller mod with just the small alien artifacts?
I'm really interested!

[Supercheese]

Would this mod be compatible with these mods?

Bob's Enemies
5Dim Mod - Battlefield
Swarm
Rescaled Evolution Factor

Swarm is compatible:

Swarm also supports the following:

• Bob's mods (bobenemies)
• Dytech War
• Natural Evolution Enemies

[wzzl]

Hi there, I am using your mod, in concordance with a couple of others. So to balance things out I have started tweaking some values in the natural evolution expansion mod, e.g. the values for pollution evolution etc. I also found that biters were expanding too close to my base so i started experimenting with the variables that govern this. In the control.lua file I found the 'phases' which correspond with the settings in a particula evolution factor interval. I set the variable NE_Min_Player_Base_Distance to 10 (in my current evolution phase) in the expectation that biters would only expand further than 10 chunks out of my base. I was surprised to see the following: (See next post)

As you can see this new base is at most like 6 chunks away. Am I misunderstanding how this variable works? Or is the distance calculated from like the centre of your 'base'?

[wzzl]

Corresponding picture which I could not add to my first post