[MOD 0.12.20+] Misanthrope 0.3.7 -- Better Biter Mechanics

[chlue]

Hello,
I really appreciate some more interesting biter mechanics, but I am really not a big fan of seeing them favor line power poles and rail lines given that this can basically only be countered by manually taking care of rebuilding and makes the usual foolproof stragety "clean a big area and wall yourself completely in" even more desireable.

I wonder if the modding api allows to script some kind of 'migratory movement' behavior. Basically cyclically a compatible huge amount of enemies would spawn at a random base and then try to move in a rather direct way to another quiet far away enemy base. Once they reach their target they are removed from the game (hide underground or whatever). This would actually mean that a player that has walled in a huge base will often encounter huge unnecessary attacks while small outputs connected by train-lines would be hardly affected by this. This could encourage a completely different play style. What do you think?

[Afforess]

Hello,
I really appreciate some more interesting biter mechanics, but I am really not a big fan of seeing them favor line power poles and rail lines given that this can basically only be countered by manually taking care of rebuilding and makes the usual foolproof stragety "clean a big area and wall yourself completely in" even more desireable.

I wonder if the modding api allows to script some kind of 'migratory movement' behavior. Basically cyclically a compatible huge amount of enemies would spawn at a random base and then try to move in a rather direct way to another quiet far away enemy base. Once they reach their target they are removed from the game (hide underground or whatever). This would actually mean that a player that has walled in a huge base will often encounter huge unnecessary attacks while small outputs connected by train-lines would be hardly affected by this. This could encourage a completely different play style. What do you think?

I definitely understand your concerns. I am not out to make Factorio a 'castle simulator' where the player has to wall themselves away from the world. I think the core problem, as I have mentioned before, is that the player has very limited tools to manage biters, which results in awkward solutions, which you point out.

I don't think this is a fault of the biter AI, but rather the limited options players have, and will be working on fixing that. Turrets and walls should not be the solution to all biter problems.

[Afforess]

Misanthrope 0.0.5 released

changelog

Version 0.0.5:

• Optional Dependency on EvoGUI. If EvoGUI >= 0.4.8 is enabled, will allow the player to view evolution phase information.
• Biters will be less interested in attacking the same target multiple times
• Biter Evolution system re-written. No more Dynamic Expansion code left.

[Afforess]

Misanthrope 0.1.0 released. Inching towards a full release!

Misanthrope 0.1.0 provides the player with a new tool to fend off biters. I am considering also creating a modular armor miniaturized version of the HARPA emitter, so players can carry around a biter deterrent.

New Game Content

• Alien Defense Tech (Requires Military III and Turrets)
• HARPA Emitter (Requires Alien Defense)
  • Causes biters to flee from the emitter in a 60x60 area around itself
  • Slowly damages biters inside the area of effect
  • Slowly damages worms inside the area of effect
  • Slowly damages biter and spitter spawners inside the area of effect
  • Has no effect on behemoth or stronger tiers of biters.

[DartBoris]

Getting crash when trying to cut any tree.

Factorio 12.20 x32
Only mods active - base evogui and misanthrope 0.1.2

main.log

00:00:00: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:00: No enemy regions found.
00:00:00: Setting expansion state to: Peaceful
00:00:00: Max Expansion state time 72000
00:00:00: Min Expansion state time 36000
00:00:00: Setting expansion timer to: 49658
00:00:00: Setting evo factor to: 0
00:00:00: Marathon mod enabled: false. RSO mod enabled: false
00:00:00: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:01: No enemy regions found.
00:00:02: No enemy regions found.
00:00:03: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:03: No enemy regions found.
00:00:04: No enemy regions found.
00:00:05: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:05: No enemy regions found.
00:00:06: No enemy regions found.
00:00:07: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:07: No enemy regions found.
00:00:08: No enemy regions found.

[Foxy_Boxes]

I never got why the enemy attacks rails anyway in vanilla. Pollution producing buildings, moving stuff like belts and trains, sure. But inert lumps of metal just lying on the ground?

[ps666]

I get this error:
Error while running the event handler: __Misanthrope__/libs/EvoGUI.lua:61: Unknown interface: EvoGUI

Newest version of game and mod used. No other mods installed. Appears with old saves and new generated maps.

[Afforess]

I get this error:
Error while running the event handler: __Misanthrope__/libs/EvoGUI.lua:61: Unknown interface: EvoGUI

Newest version of game and mod used. No other mods installed. Appears with old saves and new generated maps.

Thanks for the report. This issue has been fixed in Misanthrope 0.1.4

Getting crash when trying to cut any tree.

Factorio 12.20 x32
Only mods active - base evogui and misanthrope 0.1.2

main.log

00:00:00: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:00: No enemy regions found.
00:00:00: Setting expansion state to: Peaceful
00:00:00: Max Expansion state time 72000
00:00:00: Min Expansion state time 36000
00:00:00: Setting expansion timer to: 49658
00:00:00: Setting evo factor to: 0
00:00:00: Marathon mod enabled: false. RSO mod enabled: false
00:00:00: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:01: No enemy regions found.
00:00:02: No enemy regions found.
00:00:03: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:03: No enemy regions found.
00:00:04: No enemy regions found.
00:00:05: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:05: No enemy regions found.
00:00:06: No enemy regions found.
00:00:07: Seeding initial region queue
00:00:07: No enemy regions found.
00:00:08: No enemy regions found.

Thanks for the report! This issue has been fixed in Misanthrope 0.1.4.

[Losswen]

Hey there!

Me and my buddy may have found a desync error rooted in your mod while playing multiplayer. We've saved the relevant crash logs, and a save file to send you if you think that's needed, just let me know where I should send them (or if I should send them via forums) if you need them, and we'll happily help with that!

Side info;

The game would work fine if we started fresh, but no matter what, neither of us would be able to connect to the other's game without desyncing within 10 seconds or so if we had taken a break and quit/loaded the file.

We tested each mod individually, and the only mod we could play that file without desync on was your mod.

[Afforess]

Hey there!

Me and my buddy may have found a desync error rooted in your mod while playing multiplayer. We've saved the relevant crash logs, and a save file to send you if you think that's needed, just let me know where I should send them (or if I should send them via forums) if you need them, and we'll happily help with that!

Side info;

The game would work fine if we started fresh, but no matter what, neither of us would be able to connect to the other's game without desyncing within 10 seconds or so if we had taken a break and quit/loaded the file.

We tested each mod individually, and the only mod we could play that file without desync on was your mod.

Interesting. I haven't tried the mod in MP, so I will do some testing and attempt to fix that.

Edit: I am pretty sure I know why it de-syncs. I am working on a fix.

[Afforess]

Misanthrope Release:

Version 0.1.6:

• Bugfix: Hopefully fixed all MP desync issues
• Performance: More aggressive caching, less calculations.

Things to-do before a 1.0 release:

• Add a few more Alien Defense techs & items. I want to add a HARPA power armour module.
• Add an Alien Offense tech & bio-toxin power armour module to kill trees / biters near player
• Verify MP is working perfectly

[powerafro]

With the Factorio Version 12.22 i had after about 10 hours of playing time this error:

Error while running the event handler: __Misanthrope__/libs/region.lua:204: attempt to index local 'regionCoords' (a nil value)



Version of Misanthrope is 0.1.6

greetings powerafro!

[Afforess]

Thanks @powerafro, the issue should hopefully be fixed in the new Misanthrope 0.2.0!

[powerafro]

When I update to 0.2.0, i had after 2 seconds a new error!

[Afforess]

Thanks @powerafro. So that should be fixed in 0.2.1! Basically, it was the same issue as you had previously. I fixed the bug in one spot, and your new error was the same issue popping up in a new section of the code. However, this time, I was able to identify what caused it in the first place. It occurs when you have very few regions or no regions with enemy biter spawners... Anyway, should be fixed now.

[powerafro]

Thanks for the fast bugfixing

It works until yet very fine No Errors !!!!


greetz powerafro!

[Ackos]

Error, on new map start up. V0.2.1

Misantrope/libs/biter_expansion.lua.124:attempt to get length of field 'harpa_list' (a nil value)

[Afforess]

Error, on new map start up. V0.2.1

Misantrope/libs/biter_expansion.lua.124:attempt to get length of field 'harpa_list' (a nil value)

Thanks for the report, fixed in 0.2.2.

[toaran]

HI Afforess

i just found a bug when you die...

death_crash.png (2.82 MiB) Viewed 9442 times

When i died from some lovely Biters the server crashed and i got this message onscreen... the only way to get around it was to remove the Misanthrope mod save and reload the savegame.. or use an older autosave...

you have my server files to reproduce it if necessary
i switched back to the current normal version 0.2.2

toaran

[Afforess]

HI Afforess

i just found a bug when you die...

death_crash.png

When i died from some lovely Biters the server crashed and i got this message onscreen... the only way to get around it was to remove the Misanthrope mod save and reload the savegame.. or use an older autosave...

you have my server files to reproduce it if necessary
i switched back to the current normal version 0.2.2

toaran

Fascinating. Looks like when you die, you don't have an inventory but the player still "exists". I will have to add extra checks for that.