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xp for turrets

Post by Eulogi » Thu Mar 31, 2016 9:32 pm

So sometimes one turret is in the magic spot and racks up the kills. How bout letting it level up? If that is too op I think we can all agree that cosmetic only upgrades would be awesome as well.

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Post by ssilk » Thu Mar 31, 2016 10:11 pm

Can you explain, how an electronic circuit should be leveled up without magic?

(and magic is not really matching into Factorio, isn't it? :) )
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Re: xp for turrets

Post by boksiora » Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:30 am

I agree that the turrets can get some XP and level

After some level they may be made to use rockets or alternative ammo


Here is some formula

100 kills * current level = new level

each new level = damage + (10% of current damage)

for example

level 1: 100 damage + 10%= 110 damage
level 2: 110 damage +10% = 121 damage

etc...
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Post by boksiora » Fri Apr 01, 2016 2:35 am

ssilk wrote:Can you explain, how an electronic circuit should be leveled up without magic?

(and magic is not really matching into Factorio, isn't it? :) )


Even if turrets are not automatically upreared, they can be manually upgradeable by "magic" in the form of alien orbs

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Post by Eulogi » Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:19 am

ssilk wrote:Can you explain, how an electronic circuit should be leveled up without magic?

(and magic is not really matching into Factorio, isn't it? :) )
wow that's a pretty brutal reply for a feature that is very common in video games. the idea of xp is a total trope but one we are familiar with. we are also talking about interstellar travel and aliens which are both fantasy until proven otherwise so why not have machines that act rpg-ish and give you a sense of immersion in the game, which this is.

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Post by Koub » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:00 am

TBH, I don't feel like experience gain for automated killing machines does make sense. I'm extremely familiar with XP gain, progression, ... I could understand a suggestion towards such an experience buff for the caracter (learning, kill after kill, to shoot accurately, to recognize the weak points of alien anatomy, ...).

But giving experience to a structure so that it gains in efficiency as it does its task is totally illogical. Why not buff assembling machines to go faster as they assemble, inserters size to automatically upgrade when they are used a lot, steam engines to produce more depending on how much they have already produced, ... ?

If I were to choose an option, I would do the contrary (by using the argument that everything wears out as it's used, and it should lose efficiency). I won't do so however, because I think it doesn't serve the gameplay.
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Post by ssilk » Fri Apr 01, 2016 11:35 am

Eulogi wrote:
ssilk wrote:Can you explain, how an electronic circuit should be leveled up without magic?

(and magic is not really matching into Factorio, isn't it? :) )
wow that's a pretty brutal reply for a feature that is very common in video games.
Uhm? Sorry, I asked a little bit tired and yes, it sounds a bit sarcastic. Sorry.

My (sarcastic) question has the sense to show you the problem I have with this suggestion. :)
And I think Factorio is not common, it's an independent game. I think you should not compare it with a common video game. Whatever that means. :)
the idea of xp is a total trope but one we are familiar with. we are also talking about interstellar travel and aliens which are both fantasy until proven otherwise so why not have machines that act rpg-ish and give you a sense of immersion in the game, which this is.
I understand, that the player could eventually gain XP (experience), and eventually this is a good addition to the game-play, but (again) how should an automated tower do that without negatively influence the game-play?
Or maybe a better question: What is the advantage having this when you play Factorio?

I don't want to be negative. just wait for a good idea or discuss one, that convince me, cause (as you might already read) I'm not very fond about doing things "magically" in Factorio. I love to have a reason (But I'm ok, that it is not always needed, when it is better for the game-play).
TBH my opinion is: When there should be a change (in the damage-power etc.) on the towers, than so, that they loose XP, because they need to be repaired with their usage or so.

And to understand my standpoint read Koub's reply: The target is automation. The simple "magic" is then: More production capacity is better (in case of firepower), so the "XP" you gain is not by killing, but by automated crafting and researching more effective weapons, which is in general just playing Factorio as it is.

Another question (perhaps it helps with this discussion): What is (from the sight of Factorio game-play) the difference between "XP for towers" and assembling the towers with (something like) modules? I mean there are difference, but what is your opinion?

BTW: Assembling towers with modules is already suggested a lot of times. This is not.
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Re: xp for turrets

Post by zytukin » Fri Apr 01, 2016 1:03 pm

ssilk wrote:Can you explain, how an electronic circuit should be leveled up without magic?

(and magic is not really matching into Factorio, isn't it? :) )
Perhaps the alien blood splashing onto the turret reacts with the metals causing the DNA contained in the red blood cells to reconstruct the turret slightly differently. ie, T-virus from Resident Evil causing mutation.

As the turret kills more enemies, more blood splashes on it, more reconstruction occurs.

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Post by bobingabout » Fri Apr 01, 2016 8:15 pm

Koub wrote:TBH, I don't feel like experience gain for automated killing machines does make sense. I'm extremely familiar with XP gain, progression, ... I could understand a suggestion towards such an experience buff for the caracter (learning, kill after kill, to shoot accurately, to recognize the weak points of alien anatomy, ...).
Who's to say the turret doesn't have a simple form of AI, and that AI has to learn too?

Besides, couldn't you call turret damage upgrade research a form of upgrading the AI to deal more critical damage?

I mean, honestly, a Research to make turrets do more damage is about as unrealistic as a turret gaining experience and leveling up (Learning to deal more damage)
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Post by ssilk » Sat Apr 02, 2016 12:00 pm

I mean with "research", that you invent new turrets that can replace/support existing. Or that you invent new types of modules (something, that can be put into the tower). In other words: no change to existing increase of "XP" and - much more important - a way that works with any entity, not only turrets.
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