Friday Facts #358 - Alien decoratives & Polluted water

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I like the polluted water idea. The simple interpolation between blue and green based on the pollution value for polluted water could be reused for air pollution, too. Just interpolate between a pollution colour and the regular land graphics to make a haze of pollution on land.

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Is water going to absorb pollution now?

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AmericanPatriot wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 2:46 am
Is water going to absorb pollution now?
Water has always absorbed pollution - see https://wiki.factorio.com/Pollution#Chunks.
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I suspect it will be a trifle to modify the pollution color - or even a pollution color slider. I wonder if having a color shader tied to the pollution would make it possible for a mod to have pollution make factories and equipment rusty over time?

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Sorry if i missed it, but will it be possible / easy to migrate from a current game to 1.0 visual effects ? (creep, polluted water, etc.). Need new game to get benefit from it ? Existing game ok but only new chunks ? Console command ?

It's great that pollution has a visual effect, it's definitely an encouragement to not pollute too much. I don't like the idea that pollution is without any visible effects, it just make players don't care :)

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DarkyPupu wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 9:53 am
Sorry if i missed it, but will it be possible / easy to migrate from a current game to 1.0 visual effects ? (creep, polluted water, etc.). Need new game to get benefit from it ? Existing game ok but only new chunks ? Console command ?
Existing bases will not have creep, everything else will be upgraded to 1.0 visual effects without problems. And new bases when you explore far enough to generete more of the map, or because of natives migrating to make new nests, will also be using the new visual look with creep. So it's not a big deal.

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True, although it may be nicer to wait a couple more weeks to have all this (and maybe more ? ) than starting a long game right now. Thanks for answer :)

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Polluted water should be something like gray-brown color. Green water looks like algae bloom which, while not healthy for the ecosystem, is an indication of good quality water. Algae blooms happen when nutrients (not toxins!) are released into the water faster than the ecosystem can adapt, resulting in a lot more algae than there are algae-eating animals, causing it to accumulate. Given enough time, algae-eating animals will grow in number until they can graze down the algae to normal levels, which in turn creates plenty of food for other animals. There will be overall a lot more aquatic life in the area, due to more nutrients present in the water, the same way as rich soils could support more life than deserts.
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(...) It would be lovely if we could make grass or decoratives die too, but that's something way too technically complicated for now.
A great idea for post 1.0 could be gradual desertification and buildup of smog (maybe indicated by a slight saturation loss).
Both should be more than pure cosmetics, e.g. decreasing solar output, further increasing the need for polluting energy production.
This has already been partially done by mods (credit: darkfrei).

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conn11 wrote:
Sat Aug 01, 2020 4:01 pm
(...) It would be lovely if we could make grass or decoratives die too, but that's something way too technically complicated for now.
A great idea for post 1.0 could be gradual desertification and buildup of smog (maybe indicated by a slight saturation loss).
Both should be more than pure cosmetics, e.g. decreasing solar output, further increasing the need for polluting energy production.
This has already been partially done by mods (credit: darkfrei).
If they did that for solar, it would lose all value as a ups free power source.

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Polluted wated is good, but too flashy.
Seriously it's "alien green".

Can you just apply a greyish effect on it ? it's would be a lot realistic and aesthetic.

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Yeah, I definitely agree with changing the polluted water colour: green water is actually healthier. It's actually lifesaving advice that is given to people in the real world who might need to find drinkable water in a survival scenario, especially in areas where arsenic is present, to choose thick, algae-filled water over any beautiful crystal-clear stream, because the latter may very well be beautiful and crystal-clear because it kills everything in it.

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Blue water looks nice. I guess that's the price to pay for polluting ;)

Be careful guys, trying to make small changes that have the biggest impacts can be a dangerous pursuit.

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I wonder if the color change to polluted water isn't a bit too strong, considering that the ground doesn't change at all either. As a result, it looks a little out of place on a the large view of the map despite the otherwise sound logic. Other than that, it's definitely a nice touch!

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I'm divided. I also find the green too strong, but in other hand, I can't wait to see how shocked I am when I get outside of my polluted zone after several hours of gameplay and see water as it was before I messed everything up :D (so a big contrast is also good)

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Are alien decoratives a separate layer or they are somehow generated when base is created?
I'm assuming that if I spawn enemy base in RSO I'll need to spawn the decoratives for it somehow too.

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orzelek wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:27 am
Are alien decoratives a separate layer or they are somehow generated when base is created?
I'm assuming that if I spawn enemy base in RSO I'll need to spawn the decoratives for it somehow too.
If you create them using create_entity() function, it will have boolean parameter spawn_decorations.

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posila wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:48 am
orzelek wrote:
Sun Aug 02, 2020 10:27 am
Are alien decoratives a separate layer or they are somehow generated when base is created?
I'm assuming that if I spawn enemy base in RSO I'll need to spawn the decoratives for it somehow too.
If you create them through, create_entity() function, it will have boolean parameter spawn_decorations.
Thats great.
Thanks :)

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