0.17 Modular Mega Base 6Kspm (and more)

[Tekillaa]

Hi Factorio Lovers and Pasta Box fan!


This is a modular(1kspm the module or cell), botless production,calculator free mega base ("Mechanical Throughput Magic (circuit-free)" like they say). I reached to get 6k spm and more than 24.000 rocket sent. The save is entirely vanilla, map settings are personnalized to make the mega base without having to many slow down : i was lookin for a automation oriented "save", bitter are pacifist and there's no pollution. This is the result of a long series of compact belt design i tried to achieve to make this kind of mega base
viewtopic.php?f=202&t=68139

A video clip to show all interesting/specific detail for the mega base will be published soon, the thread is here to make a fast show of the save for now, and i probably need some hints for things i have missed (it my 6th or 7th game, i'm a noob after all) or ups issue (42 fps, around 22k u/tick with my computer, you'll see it on the following screen shots) before making the full edition of my clip. Thank you to let me some times before making video about the module or the save.



1) The 1 kspm Central Quarter :

The main base has been made in order to make 1 ksp/min : only space science is produced at 970,2/min because only one silo is built, its a 3% difference from the other ones, so if first i send some rocket for 1 hour, it lets me more than 30hours with a 1kspm consumption because only space science use buffer chest for the output. This is my "limitation" for the first part of my base and for each other "module or cell" after that.
In addition to be able to produce (lets say for now) 1kspm, i have made additionnal factory/furnaces able to feed the mall, the module and bot production to allow me to expand even if i'm under 1kspm research.

A : map view of the main base before the mega base expansion

megabase starter

We begin to make a 4 way rail road network all around the base in prevision of what coming next

B : mall bot and module production

build everything

related post : viewtopic.php?f=8&t=66732

C : Save with 0 rocket, but 1kspm ready (available soon)




2) The 1kspm botless, calculator free module.

The module or "silo cell" is like the main base, able to produce 1 kspm but the space at 970 . So when i set up the cell, first i let some rocket go for 30min/1 hour time to fix the electricity or other issue, then i start research at 1k consumption for a long time. With a compact 8 beacon surround general design and belt makin energy free distribution, each module need around 5g of power to produce all science together (military include), and that is low to me, what I aim. There is a basic roboport coverage to let drone entirely build it from the "player station", near from the oil station.
Input : stone ore, coal, copper ore, iron ore, crude oil, water and electricity
output : consumed science pack
With those input, it lets me just the train network to do with mining fields : more than 95% of my train are just raw mats.

Side note on the design : everything behind the silo can assure 1k space science pack per minute, so an another silo can be added to have 1k space sp on average but its not fondamentaly necessary, i'm trying to ask for balancing on the animation time lenght, because the animation is slow to my pov viewtopic.php?f=16&t=68841
20,5 sec of construction 41 sec animation = 1/3 construction 2/3 animation to resume.

A : Map view

cell on the map

i put some marker to let you see where things are produce inside

B : sky view

cell from the sky

It's to have a more realistic view

C : Player View

Each process

1. Iron smelting

2. Copper Smelting

3. Steel and Labs

4. Oil processing

5. Green Circuit

6.Processing unit and advanced Circuit

7. Stone, Science first part

8. Silo and Science last part

D : Blue print
https://pastebin.com/jAVY0CeK
E : setup instruction

each step

1) install the "north east section" with the player station (the only station with red chest)
2) come with trains of stuff and construction bots, everything but the beacon, install inserter to put stuff into chest. (you can see how i have set trains on my save)
3) build the whole 4 way (at least) railroad network around (2 way will not work at all), mining fields connection, time to let bot construct (i use 2k each cell)
4) think about electricity, water, fuel for trains (there is 3 station to fill, nuclear fuel for 250% acceration is essential)
5) Bring beacon (after that step, you ll have big electric needs,and ups drop if you have already built lot of them)
=>4 trains to each station is my standard, 1 train deloading, 1 loading, one going, and the last comin back or waiting, not more, not less
6) setup crude oil train then coal trains first it let time to fill the fluid system.
7) setup iron train
8) setup stone and copper
9) if no research, let the system be filled, if a research is under work, remove some belt before labs
10) let the system send some rockets to fill all belts and chests the more you wait, the more you ll dont need to make a break beacause of the mono silo limitation, 1 hour of just rocket sending gives you more than 30 hour of 1kspm.
11) unleash the beast

3) The nuke plant :

I use landfill to cover a lake, i got actually a 124 reactor nuke plant (a fuel eater), with in addition 10 times 8 reactor nuke plants(those ones got steam tank to control fuel input) are just enought to provide my electrical needs : 30,5 gw. So my entire electricity is provide by nuclear reactor from the start.
I was about to make solar panel when a thought come into my mind solar panel are more item to display, lets give the nuke a shot, so there is some solar panel left.
Edit : Nuclear power is a very bad idea for my mega base in addition to the fact that i dont know how to make a good use for so much power, if you lookin for "easy" ups friendly solution, use as much solar as possible to finally destroy all reactor if you lookin for ups

A : sky view of the nuke plant

the tillable fuel eater

B : uranium processing/nuclear fuel for all trains

Uranium processing

in addition to the fuel cell, i produce the nuclear fuel for all train directly here to dont have to deal with uranium logistic

C : Electricity for 6k spm

Electricity info

D : Blue print
https://pastebin.com/kJHaGRCp
Edit : Don't use that thing, 2n reactor dont seems to be a good solution for energy (need discussion about this)


4) Bot mining field :

A bot mining field with one slot chest allow me to pull ore from more different location in the mining field compare to belt , and it handle the mining productivity research as well (145 at the moment). Thanks to the one slot chest, each train pull ore from a large area in the mining field, combined to the research, i got a good way to use for a long time one ore field and make some kind of rentability of the research.

A : sky view

Logistic mining field

drone with pick axe

B : tillable blue print for bot mining
https://pastebin.com/NxKYumQ1



5) THE MEGA BASE : 6 kspm

The result is some kind of a grid base coverage by a 4 way rail network. Each cell have their own peripheric 4 way railroad all around the cell, that's why i never stick 2 module. This way allows me zero congestion, train stuck or something slow on the railroad network.

A : Map view

Different map view

B : Production tab

production

C : FPS/ UPS tab

about updates

Nuclear use some fluid ups and entities updates. Entities updates are high because of all inserters : im not "using" inserters correctly to reduce ups impact, lot of inserters go in active state where they dont need and using both sides of a belt is not good for inserters, i use too many splitters too.. lot of things need to be upgrade to be more ups efficient like more intermediate chest to reduce inserters active state to the minimum, more side loading, better way to use belt in general.

With a repeatable design it's easy to do more but my computer disagree...

Save 6kspm :
http://www.mediafire.com/file/q9fy78t9g ... Planet.zip

The first thing i ll need to do later if i go bigger is a "only a silo" cell in order to make more space science pack, and distribute them via the player station on each cell, near from labs. What i want now is to be able to produce 20k with 20 module but ups on my computer will not follow(I'll need my own server soon?). In addition, the fact that a module can be dismantle to be rebuild in a more "ore friendly" zone give a very long range to those kind of modular mega base and its for me a good solution to avoid deadlocks or congestion on my rail network. Feel free to let what you think.
In conclusion, i think it's possible to make a lot of upgrades to make have more ups efficiency, but the "module" will take more space because of lot of 12 beacon surround, more direct insertions, a better railroad network (like furnaces near from the ore patch to carry plates instead of ore with train, with a stack size of 100, i can divide train traffic by 1,5 )or no rail road network at all, solar panel to reduce nuclear power.. lot of things can be done with others ways keeping the "modular" concept.





all related post :
-This is missing in the game, we cant make a good use of a large logistic area without new tools, viewtopic.php?f=6&t=67650 it is important to me (and all other player i guess) to have a complete logistic system without erratic behaviour from bots.
-trying to reach 1k spm with one silo viewtopic.php?f=16&t=68841
-the mall viewtopic.php?f=8&t=66732
-all individual BP viewtopic.php?f=202&t=68139
- the uranium process viewtopic.php?f=202&t=68156

Some thanks : Poober, KoS: they help me to have a better perception of the game, Kitsh and Nilaus with some tuto, some discord user: Mernom,Mike C, forum user who helped me to achieve some design for production lines : Serenity etc.. and ppl that i don't know who let me just an upgrade to do for some furnaces lines for example.

Factorio is Awesome, Thanks to the staff

[disentius]

Nice idea and execution. Sharing why you made certain choices is a great idea:)
Noticed a 40-ish fps/ups. What are your PC specs?

[Tekillaa]

Thank you,

i got a i5 6600K (45%use), 16g ram ddr4 (2g used), gtx 960 gpu with 2g vram (less than 20% used), ssd hard drive. all asus setup.

here my pb, not enough bandwidth between processor and the ram i guess.

[PowerCheez]

Am I blind or did you not post the blueprint book in it's entirety? Because I'm searching high and low for a modular square trainbased blueprint book.

[patrick12222010]

Stealing this... 6k SPM... Soon...

[Tekillaa]

Am I blind or did you not post the blueprint book in it's entirety? Because I'm searching high and low for a modular square trainbased blueprint book.

Hello!

No you're not blind: This mega base is my first that size, so the railroad network was under heavy testing to see what happen, train behaviour etc.., some signal are not good yet but i'll make a thread for the modular 4 railroad i have edited as soon i will be sure that what i share works 100% of the time and it's a good way to do things. So far the result for the kind of pattern i use are very good and i need to make a clean usable Bp book (i was full copy paste to make this mega base, entirely made under vanilla circumstances, and mostly, it's the first map where i use train that much)

So let me just some time to build up that bp book with 100% verified Bp. Thank you for your return, i'll make as soon as possible with the conclusion of the thread with that entire vanilla save with 37k rocket and 8k spm

[Elearen]

This is incredibly amazing holy shit

[Tekillaa]

This is incredibly amazing holy shit

Thank you! I'll make the mini clip as soon i m able to make it, but if you got a good computer i can let you another save just before the 37.000 rocket and 8 kspm. The nuclear reactor is still here with 184 reactor this time o/ (run at 34 fps on my computer and this time this is the end)

I'll never make so many reactor again, on my new save i just use few for the mid game and i do full solar for the end game.

https://www.mediafire.com/file/vdend1g3 ... k.zip/file

I'll make the update of the post with more precision as soon i got the video.

[csduff]

It looks like you have productivity modules in your centrifuges running the Kovarex Experiment. I thought this wasn't possible anymore?

[Tekillaa]

The productivity bonus now just give 1 U-235 instead of the total recipe output, it's a 0.17 feature.

[csduff]

Right. I forgot they were changing that.