[0.12.x]Cartmen's Mods Information

[cartmen180]

new version in bug

i have never seen that error before. Are you using other mods? What version of factorio do you have?

[cartmen180]

Yeah, I would've worked from the iron ore value but you included mineral ore in the melting recipe so I had to work from there to be totally consistent. Why is mineral ore included in some of the melting recipes anyway? I thought the idea was to remove impurities, but here we are, tossing a bunch of raw rocks back in. Speaking of which, could we get vanilla stone as a byproduct of separation? All the detritus has to go somewhere, after all...

The mineral ore included in the recipe is a placeholder for now. In the actuall iron ore processing they add a couple of minerals to react with the sulfates in the iron ore, this is currently represented by the mineral ore. But that will change!

Okay, so the new crushed ore smelting recipe is about 0.7 mineral per plate, which is roughly a 20% increase in yield over straight ore smelting. Not bad.

thnx :p

And liquid iron is 40/2.67 mineral, or 1/0.067. Soooo...

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1 Iron Gear = 1~ Mineral
1 Iron Pipe = 0.67 Mineral
1 Inserter Base/Arm = 0.53 Mineral

Significant improvement for gears, and pipes are just sliiightly more efficient to cast. Fair enough. One more suggestion I'd like to make? Add a plate casting recipe so it's easier to measure the exchange value. Eg. melting down iron plates gives X amount of liquid iron, but the crushed ore melting recipe gives a bonus amount, so everything stays consistent.

Smelting objects back to liquids will be included in the recycling update, not a high priority though.

Anyway, lets figure out steel's true mineral value. Lets start with the 5 iron plate recipe and the other ingredients for liquid steel.

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1 Steel Plate = 5 Iron Plates = 3.5 Mineral

1 Nickel = 2.5 Mineral
1 Coal = 1 Mineral

Not looking good. However:

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40 Liquid Steel = 50 Liquid Iron + 1 Nickel + 1 Coal = 3.35 + 2.5 + 1 = 6.85 Mineral
1 Steel Plate = 10 Liquid Steel = 1.7125 Mineral

Well! I was wrong. Okay, so that is considerably cheaper. Possibly too cheap? It works out to something like 2.5 iron to 1 steel exchange, which I like in Bob's, but I dunno if that's what you're aiming for. Up to you, of course.

Here nickel and coal are also a placeholder for nickelpowder and coal coke. So the actual value will change. Besides, the vanilla way of producing steel is a bit silly. Steel is nothing more than iron with just the right percentage of carbon.
So what i might do is increase the result to 50 liquid steel, but the coke and nickelpowder (and most likely crafting time) will increase in one way or another.

[Degraine]

You know, I was going to suggest coal coke, actually!

The mineral ore included in the recipe is a placeholder for now. In the actuall iron ore processing they add a couple of minerals to react with the sulfates in the iron ore, this is currently represented by the mineral ore. But that will change!

Okay, good to know.

[Airat9000]

в новой версии баг

я никогда не видел, что ошибка прежде. Вы используете другие моды? Какая версия factorio у вас есть?

newest 0.10.12
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[cartmen180]

My mod will probably not play nice with the other big mods like bob's and dytech, nor do i have any intention to make it work with those for now. Try it without dytech, f-mod and bob's and see if it gives the same error.

edit: i had a quick testrun with bob's mods (except ores). It works fine with them. No problem whatsoever.

[cartmen180]

experimental version is available. It is not savegame compatible! you have to start a new game to use it!

- mineral fields all look the same but they are different, you now have to prospect deposits with your pickaxe to find out what kind of ore it is.
- added large blast furnace; no real functionality for it just yet
- added 2 new walls, cement wall and reinforced concrete wall (reinforced concrete wall does not have its own textures yet)

[Airat9000]

экспериментальные версии. Это не savegame совместимы! вы должны начать новую игру, чтобы использовать его! - месторождений полезных ископаемых все выглядят одинаково, но они разные, теперь у вас есть проспект депозиты с вашей киркой, чтобы выяснить, какой из руды. - добавлен большой доменной печи; отсутствие реальных возможностей для всего, но - добавлены 2 новые стены, цементные стены и железобетонные стены (железобетонные стены не имеют собственных текстур пока)

all the modes work fine, that's how I put your mod just such an error. I can throw files mods assembly. Protests for error really spoils

[Boogieman14]

Using 0.5 I'm getting different errors at Factorio startup. Tried a bunch of times now, I'm getting one of:

or

or


This is with just CartmenIndustries installed, no other mods.

[Airat9000]

с помощью 0.5 я получаю разные ошибки в Factorio запуска. Пробовал кучу раз сейчас, я получаю один: или или это только CartmenIndustries установлен, никаких других модов.

exact same error, and you put Dysoh and other fashion writes that error I have described.

[Degraine]

Is it feasible for ore fields to change icon once we've done sufficient research in refining their particular metal?

[cartmen180]

Is it feasible for ore fields to change icon once we've done sufficient research in refining their particular metal?

I have this planned but unfortunately icons cannot be changed during gameplay. The same goes for recipes and everything else basicly. I hope that this will be changed though.

[cartmen180]

Using 0.5 I'm getting different errors at Factorio startup. Tried a bunch of times now, I'm getting one of:

or

or


This is with just CartmenIndustries installed, no other mods.

okay i am an idiot, i compiled the wrong version. I uploaded 0.5.1 and this one works.

i also put dysech and bob's mods as optional dependencies so this mod is loaded after those.

[Boogieman14]

0.5.1 works now (except I had to unzip it because the zipfilename and the name in the json didn't match)

And I think you may have gone a tiny bit overboard seeding the world with minerals


This is with terrain segmentation set to low and the rest default.

[cartmen180]

well holy ****, it is not supposed to be like that :p
i will look into this right now

[Boogieman14]

Also, could you maybe add a recipe for a simple axe using wood and stone? My iron axes ran out before I had iron plates set up and it becomes a bit of a pain to do stuff with your bare hands

[cartmen180]

Also, could you maybe add a recipe for a simple axe using wood and stone? My iron axes ran out before I had iron plates set up and it becomes a bit of a pain to do stuff with your bare hands

Good idea, i will include it in the next update.

[cartmen180]

well holy ****, it is not supposed to be like that :p
i will look into this right now

i have identified the problem, it is the titanium and tungsten spawn controls. But the thing is that they are exactly the same as the one for copper. I have no clue what is causing this behaviour. So it will take a bit longer to find a solution :p

edit: I fixed the problem, version 0.5.2 is now available.

[Airat9000]

ну святой****это не должно быть так :p Я буду смотреть в этом прямо сейчас

я определил проблему, титана и вольфрама spawn controls. Но дело в том, что они точно так же, как и медь. Я не имею понятия, что именно является причиной такого поведения. Так что это займет немного больше времени, чтобы найти решение :p edit: я решил проблему, версия 0.5.2 теперь доступна.

I hope that the problem with other mods will be solved .. for your events like.

[Degraine]

Is it feasible for ore fields to change icon once we've done sufficient research in refining their particular metal?

I have this planned but unfortunately icons cannot be changed during gameplay. The same goes for recipes and everything else basicly. I hope that this will be changed though.

Ahhh, that's a pity. I assumed that was how things worked the first time I looked at the screenshots. Hope this is possible some time in the future!

[cartmen180]

Is it feasible for ore fields to change icon once we've done sufficient research in refining their particular metal?

I have this planned but unfortunately icons cannot be changed during gameplay. The same goes for recipes and everything else basicly. I hope that this will be changed though.

Ahhh, that's a pity. I assumed that was how things worked the first time I looked at the screenshots. Hope this is possible some time in the future!

Oh i can make different resource spawners and put an option in the config to use whichever one you like.
I might even be able to tweak some values so you can set the sizes when starting a new game.