It'll be interesting to see how quality interacts with productivity research. Might math out some hypotheticals later...


I think it wouldn't change much, it's like putting quality modules in the machines, with the difference that you can have 4 quality modules


There's a breakpoint where ...

Your end goal, ultimately, will be making everything as Q5, anyway, so it's never going to be "worthless"

I doubt this is a viable strategy. From my understanding, the way quality is designed, it's meant to be used only on a very limited part of the factory, where extreme optimisation is ...

Koub wrote: Mon Nov 20, 2023 8:31 pm

For which items does productivity research apply?

Query. Can you use different qualities of raw materials, or do they have the be the same quality? And if so, what are you supposed to do with the occasional higher quality materials you can't match with others? Or does it use the lowest included quality, average, etc?

Do fluids have quality ...

Sorry for posting the spreadsheet so many times, I have made changes that maybe someone will be interested in.

Now in the spreadsheet you can enter the number of quality or productivity modules for each assembler or recycler (recyclers do not support productivity, but I included it anyway ...

In the new spreadsheet you can do it, I have tested the "optimal" configuration of the wiki and none offers better results than the 4 quality modules


I haven't gotten a chance to crack it open yet, but are you using Markov chains for the math or some kind of expected value substitution?


No ...

here I have uploaded the spreadsheet update
https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?p=596868#p596868



I have seen the spreadcheat, i was wondering how you got those number for module bonus as it seem different than what you did earlier so i started checking the wiki page and i found :


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Sorry for posting the spreadsheet so many times, I have made changes that maybe someone will be interested in.

Now in the spreadsheet you can enter the number of quality or productivity modules for each assembler or recycler (recyclers do not support productivity, but I included it anyway ...

I know, the thing I'm curious about is why the sum over the column is meaningful - as it sums over values which don't correlate.


The sum represents the probability that the item will level up regardless of how many levels it raises, it is to know what percentage does not level up.

Sorry ...

Share my spreadsheet on the cost of getting premium quality.

You can find the results for:
Assembler with Quality and Recycler with Quality
Assembler with Quality and Recycler with Quality(Old Version)
Assembler with Quality and Recycler with Productivity
Assembler with Quality and ...

I know, the thing I'm curious about is why the sum over the column is meaningful - as it sums over values which don't correlate.


The sum represents the probability that the item will level up regardless of how many levels it raises, it is to know what percentage does not level up.

Sorry ...

Share my spreadsheet on the cost of getting premium quality.

You can find the results for:
Assembler with Quality and Recycler with Quality
Assembler with Quality and Recycler with Quality(Old Version)
Assembler with Quality and Recycler with Productivity
Assembler with Quality and Recycler ...

I know, the thing I'm curious about is why the sum over the column is meaningful - as it sums over values which don't correlate.


The sum represents the probability that the item will level up regardless of how many levels it raises, it is to know what percentage does not level up.


I don't ...

Here:
Cost.ods

I don't really understand your spreadsheet.
What does the "Total" row represent?
- From the formula, it's the number of modules of a given level you'd get if you inputted one of each level of module?
What does the "% Level Up in 1 level" represent?
And what do the "Consecutive ...

I am not taking into consideration the infrastructure, it is only the time to obtain a legendary item and I only use the solar panel, because it is easy to perform the calculations, it can be extrapolated to recipes that require more ingredients, for example, the nuclear reactor requires many ...

Only legendary modules will be used
Iron plates and copper plates are considered raw materials
Productivity modules are used in any recipe that allows it
It is assumed that the time to recycle a product is the same time it takes to create it
The recipe for iron gears and copper wires is used to ...

I have made the calculations of the times to manufacture the solar panel, using the quality modules at the end of production was 10 times less than the time to obtain the legendary raw materials.

obtaining the legendary raw material can be used separately for continuous production with the ...

I have a question, how have they carried out the calculations to obtain that the cost of creating a legendary item is 56 times more, 116 according to a correction they made or
Hmm, ok, I've just made a spreadsheet to come up with the numbers, and it seems right, and it's now giving 40x as ...

I have a question, how have they carried out the calculations to obtain that the cost of creating a legendary item is 56 times more, 116 according to a correction they made or
Hmm, ok, I've just made a spreadsheet to come up with the numbers, and it seems right, and it's now giving 40x as expensive ...

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I have made the calculations of the times to manufacture the solar panel, using the quality modules at the end of production was 10 times less than the time to obtain the legendary raw materials.

obtaining the legendary raw material can be used separately for continuous production with the ...