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My base suffered 20 UPS drop with new experimental from 55-60 to sub-40.
Briefly checked changes and found only loaders change, as my base is heavily packed with them.
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[Oxyd] [0.17.59] UPS drop after .59
[Oxyd] [0.17.59] UPS drop after .59
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Re: [0.17.59] UPS drop after .59
"aai signal transmission" and "space ex" need UPS
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Are pipes and fluids also in the "entity" category?
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Thanks for the report. All of the time is being spent on biters of which had several fixes in the latest release so they would actually do what they're supposed to do.
If you want to get ahold of me I'm almost always on Discord.
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With that being said, a *lot* of the time is spent in wandering which might not be intended? I'll leave this to Oxyd to say if it's a bug or not.
If you want to get ahold of me I'm almost always on Discord.
Re: [Oxyd] [0.17.59] UPS drop after .59
Last time I did alien clean up I noticed that nests are overpacked by biters.
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Re: [Oxyd] [0.17.59] UPS drop after .59
My marathon/deathworld base was running at a smooth 59-60 UPS prior to latest experimental update.
It now varies widely from 53-58. When the game first loads, it gets up to 60 for a minute or two, then slows down.
The mention of biters being a possible cause makes sense. I'm surrounded by biter nests impacted by my thick pollution cloud (and I mean, fully surrounded). I didn't really notice a change in behavior of the biters after the update, though. They still attack mostly the same. They do seem to get stuck less, but will still get stuck on each other as a group of 100 close in on the base; to me, that makes sense, though...they're in a very tight formation. It would seem a good action for them would be to spread out as they approach the base and attack en mass (now the pack just hits about 5-10 at a time with the rest bumping around until the first ones are dead). Maybe that would result in less calculations to change their path.
I'm still scalling up a megabase, and it would be challenging to have to change some plans to get rid of the biters within the pollution cloud....that's a HUGE sea of red....with the only purpose to get rid of the lower UPS. For reference, I surround my base with walls and lasers, have about 2 dozen artillery posts to clear the closer nests, and am working on artillery range 5. No mods are used.
It now varies widely from 53-58. When the game first loads, it gets up to 60 for a minute or two, then slows down.
The mention of biters being a possible cause makes sense. I'm surrounded by biter nests impacted by my thick pollution cloud (and I mean, fully surrounded). I didn't really notice a change in behavior of the biters after the update, though. They still attack mostly the same. They do seem to get stuck less, but will still get stuck on each other as a group of 100 close in on the base; to me, that makes sense, though...they're in a very tight formation. It would seem a good action for them would be to spread out as they approach the base and attack en mass (now the pack just hits about 5-10 at a time with the rest bumping around until the first ones are dead). Maybe that would result in less calculations to change their path.
I'm still scalling up a megabase, and it would be challenging to have to change some plans to get rid of the biters within the pollution cloud....that's a HUGE sea of red....with the only purpose to get rid of the lower UPS. For reference, I surround my base with walls and lasers, have about 2 dozen artillery posts to clear the closer nests, and am working on artillery range 5. No mods are used.
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I have also seen a drop of around 8UPS when moving from 0.17.54 to 0.17.59. I am under near constant attack so maybe I am seeing the same bug.
The loss of 8 UPS is almost exactly what I gained from moving from 0.17.43 to 0.17.54.
The loss of 8 UPS is almost exactly what I gained from moving from 0.17.43 to 0.17.54.
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That's new.
As a side note using console to kill biters in revealed chunks moves ups to 60 again.
As a side note using console to kill biters in revealed chunks moves ups to 60 again.
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Re: [Oxyd] [0.17.59] UPS drop after .59
An update after a weekend of playing on .59.
I had moments where UPS would run at 60 again. Sometimes, though it would crawl at 45. I researched the next Artillery range level, so my arty rained fire down and I also used that to explore new chunks. Needless to say, lots of new and old areas were forced to load and run for a time.
However, weird things happened. Normally, when my range expands and arty automatically destroys nests in range, the biters will swarm together and then attack the base. This stopped happening in some instances. I even set up a few extended arty outposts to bombard some areas affected by my pollution cloud. In many areas, about 10% of the biters would move a little and then stop. The rest didn't even move. I saw an entire nest area destroyed, and most of the biters never moved. Note that I didn't move my character to those areas, so those chunks were only affected by the artillery. Here is a screenshot of one of those areas showing biters wholly unconcerned their homes were just destroyed. (These biters were all still, and remained unmoving as their homes were destroyed; I took the screenshots later after all areas were cleared in the arty's range, so the nest images had despawned. Just know the ground was covered with nests)
Additionally, I saw weird behavior from a group that approached my laser lined walls. For well over an hour, the group paused, unmoving just out of laser range. In these screenshots you can see it on the minimap...the red blob at the top right of the minimap. I ignored them, and at some point they triggered and move.
I had moments where UPS would run at 60 again. Sometimes, though it would crawl at 45. I researched the next Artillery range level, so my arty rained fire down and I also used that to explore new chunks. Needless to say, lots of new and old areas were forced to load and run for a time.
However, weird things happened. Normally, when my range expands and arty automatically destroys nests in range, the biters will swarm together and then attack the base. This stopped happening in some instances. I even set up a few extended arty outposts to bombard some areas affected by my pollution cloud. In many areas, about 10% of the biters would move a little and then stop. The rest didn't even move. I saw an entire nest area destroyed, and most of the biters never moved. Note that I didn't move my character to those areas, so those chunks were only affected by the artillery. Here is a screenshot of one of those areas showing biters wholly unconcerned their homes were just destroyed. (These biters were all still, and remained unmoving as their homes were destroyed; I took the screenshots later after all areas were cleared in the arty's range, so the nest images had despawned. Just know the ground was covered with nests)
Additionally, I saw weird behavior from a group that approached my laser lined walls. For well over an hour, the group paused, unmoving just out of laser range. In these screenshots you can see it on the minimap...the red blob at the top right of the minimap. I ignored them, and at some point they triggered and move.
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Biters that don't do anything can get woken up when other biters bump into them, and it looks like they were being kept active for too long. It should be better in 0.17.61.