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Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by provet » Sun Jul 03, 2016 6:42 pm

brunzenstein wrote:(...)The change in the GUI does not allow anymore to connect one item after the other in a row without deselecting the wire first with Q every time you click a new item.
The wire otherwise stubborn stays connected to the entry point e.g. you first item one clicked - at the first item connected.
If thats not a bug but a feature, that feature is a bug.
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I just found out that (thx to brunzenstein, and then by testing) That chaining wires Image isn't working anymore. Not sure if feature or bug, but I'd like it to be a bug if it isn't. But! Instead of fixing this by just reverting, I'd like to request that holding shift, makes it going back to normal chainingImage

This could even be just an optional feature (disabled/enabled in options) But please make it come back!

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by brunzenstein » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:18 pm

provet wrote:Instead of fixing this by just reverting, I'd like to request that holding shift, makes it going back to normal chainingImage

This could even be just an optional feature (disabled/enabled in options) But please make it come back!
I dont see any benefit even if thats a option, or that the newly introduced change may be attractive to anybody - therefore please developers:
Make us all happy and simply go back to (see above) where it was. And everybody is happily moving on
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Post by ssilk » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:22 pm

Before that I want to hear the reasons, why they changed it, cause they must have had reasons.
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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by brunzenstein » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:23 pm

ssilk wrote:Before that I want to hear the reasons, why they changed it, cause they must have had reasons.
It must be a damned good reason to convince me - so lets see the cards

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by ssilk » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:25 pm

Perhaps the reason was "We didn't have time" :) . But that would explain all.
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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by stellatedHex » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:31 pm

Everyone (in this thread so far) seems to agree that wire chaining should return, including me.
It'd be cool if wire chaining was the default, but holding shift had the origin point not move, and if holding shift while disconnecting a wire allowed chain disconnects.
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Post by XKnight » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:36 pm

stellatedHex wrote:Everyone (in this thread so far) seems to agree that wire chaining should return, including me.
It'd be cool if wire chaining was the default, but holding shift had the origin point not move, and if holding shift while disconnecting a wire allowed chain disconnects.
I think shift is not the best hot key for this new weird behaviour, because shift is already used for copy-paste entity settings and this is very usefull. Thats why new behaviour should use Ctrl or Alt.

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by brunzenstein » Sun Jul 03, 2016 7:37 pm

XKnight wrote:
stellatedHex wrote:Everyone (in this thread so far) seems to agree that wire chaining should return, including me.
It'd be cool if wire chaining was the default, but holding shift had the origin point not move, and if holding shift while disconnecting a wire allowed chain disconnects.
I think shift is not the best hot key for this new weird behaviour, because shift is already used for copy-paste entity settings and this is very usefull. Thats why new behaviour should use Ctrl or Alt.
Could be a key code free to be set by the user in the setup menu

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Neotix » Sun Jul 03, 2016 9:43 pm

I think it's not a bug or "we didn't have time" explanation because wiring poles was not changed. I think that they just make bad decision.

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Mr. Tact » Mon Jul 04, 2016 2:43 am

Has it been reported as a bug?
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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Neotix » Mon Jul 04, 2016 5:24 am

As bug no, but I make topic in proposition to bring backs old connection method.

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by brunzenstein » Mon Jul 04, 2016 7:36 am

Mr. Tact wrote:Has it been reported as a bug?
by me - just now
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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Twinsen » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:00 am

Poles connect by chaining and entities connect by star. I thought it would be more convenient this way for some setups.
Since there seems to be a strong voice to have chaining everywhere, i'll change it back asap.

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Neotix » Mon Jul 04, 2016 11:33 am

Twinsen wrote:No modifier keys
Please don't erase code. Maybe some day when you will have very good humor, you will decide to give us that option :D

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Twinsen » Mon Jul 04, 2016 4:11 pm

Implemented in Version: 0.13.5

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Case » Tue Jul 05, 2016 4:36 pm

Twinsen wrote:Poles connect by chaining and entities connect by star. I thought it would be more convenient this way for some setups.
Since there seems to be a strong voice to have chaining everywhere, i'll change it back asap.

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Thanks for changing it back to chaining. Even after rewiring hundreds of my chests I still got not used to the new system. I hope the change does not remove any wires :)

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by provet » Tue Jul 05, 2016 5:28 pm

Case wrote:
Twinsen wrote:Poles connect by chaining and entities connect by star. I thought it would be more convenient this way for some setups.
Since there seems to be a strong voice to have chaining everywhere, i'll change it back asap.

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Thanks for changing it back to chaining. Even after rewiring hundreds of my chests I still got not used to the new system. I hope the change does not remove any wires :)
I don't see how a change in the interface would affect placed entities, so I think you shouldn't have to worry about that! ;)

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by credomane » Tue Jul 05, 2016 9:42 pm

Can we get an option for this? I probably wouldn't have noticed the update to 0.13.5 if it wasn't for this getting reverted. :(

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Moosfet » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:07 am

credomane wrote:Can we get an option for this? I probably wouldn't have noticed the update to 0.13.5 if it wasn't for this getting reverted. :(
Seriously, I thought it was a new feature, or at least a resolution of an old annoyance, as I always do star topology connecting every item to a pole rather than to each other.

Perhaps a compromise might work:

When connecting two entities, if both entities are not poles, or if both entities are poles, then after the connection is made, the wire in hand is connected to the second entity, otherwise it is connected to whichever one is a pole. This would allow chaining multiple chests together as shown in the OP's image if one merely starts on a chest rather than a pole, and it allows star topology if one merely starts on the pole rather than on a chest/inserter, and of course it allows one to connect wire to a long series of poles.

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Re: Chaining wires for 0.13

Post by Mr. Tact » Wed Jul 06, 2016 3:17 am

Moosfet wrote:Seriously, I thought it was a new feature, or at least a resolution of an old annoyance, as I always do star topology connecting every item to a pole rather than to each other.
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