[Solved] Struggeling with train signals

[Maartenv]

This is my first playthrough of the game and i am currently working on a new railroad and i am having some struggles on how to implement something. I have two different tracks next to each other and some track connecting the both of them (as seen in the attachment). I want the following to happen: When two trains move towards each other on the same track i want one of the trains to switch to the second track. Where should i place the signals?

(I am not playing space age so i do not have access to anything added there)

Thx in advance!

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[Amarula]

Welcome Engineer!
Having a track where trains can go both directions, a bi-directional track, is possible but very challenging. You may find it easier to switch to two uni-directional tracks - this will also be of benefit as your factory grows as it will support more trains. If you prefer to continue with the challenge...

Trains can only pass signals on the right side of the track, so for a bi-directional track EVERY signal must be paired. When you go to place a signal, the game will highlight a ghost showing the location of the pair to help you get this part right. If they are not paired, you will have pieces of one way track which will cause trains going the opposite way to show No Path.

Without recreating your tracks, I think putting pairs of signals at the entrance, on both paths after the split, before the X, after the X, before the merge, and after the exit should allow trains to move within that section of track. You will have to have a chain signal at both ends before leaving this section, to ensure that the trains wait where the opposite train can switch to the second track. You will have to experiment to find which other signals need to be chain signals - welcome to the challenge!

I also suggest you test your tracks with at least one cargo wagon. A test that works where just a locomotive will fit in a segment can easily break if the entire train doesn't fit. For example, it looks like a train that stops at the train stop will be sticking out into the passing section. Good luck and may your trains be many and bright!

[Tertius]

Train signal tutorial see here: https://wiki.factorio.com/Tutorial:Train_signals

In general: the most important thing is to think in rail blocks. A signal is dividing rails into blocks. They're visualized with different colors while you hold a signal in hand. One block is either empty or occupied by one single train. If a block is occupied by a train, the signal that's guarding access to this block is red and blocks access, otherwise it is green and allows access.

So create blocks and imagine how trains will advance from block to block.

Obtain details from the tutorial.

[mmmPI]

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This makes the bottom lane to go from left to right and the upper one the opposite. It sort of ignore the crossing in the middle. ( simpler to begin with )


The following is a proposition where all tracks are bi-directionnal, more complicated, and not all that sure it's better than previous version for ingame purposes, but it fit more closely the requests, and can be used to copy or modify to try and understand the rules :

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[computeraddict]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_loop

First order of business is get rid of the X in the middle. It'll defeat your attempts to signal this. Next all you have to do is signal the siding blocks with rail signals going in (preferably only one direction per side so that two trains going the same way don't occupy both) then put chain signals on the exits.

Basically it's a short section where you abandon bidirectional track and have a short section of opposing unidirectional tracks.

[mmmPI]

First order of business is get rid of the X in the middle. It'll defeat your attempts to signal this.

Not necessarily !

[computeraddict]

First order of business is get rid of the X in the middle. It'll defeat your attempts to signal this.

Not necessarily !

I mean, in your two signalings you either ignored the X or produced a design with it that can deadlock. It should be removed.

[mmmPI]

I mean, in your two signalings you either ignored the X or produced a design with it that can deadlock. It should be removed.

No second design doesn't deadlock with the 2 trains, chain signals are used to avoid this.

Edit :

Here is a higher quality picture where trains aren't masking signals :

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It doesn't deadlock because trains are only allowed in the middle X when they can exit it, due to the chain signals.

[Maartenv]

Thank you all for the replies and for the examples. In the end I will be going for a uni-directional track. On secound thought I makes a lot more sense in my situation.
For the people that made the examples, I will still be making them to try and understand them better to be able to use it in the future, so thank you!

[mmmPI]

Thank you all for the replies and for the examples. In the end I will be going for a uni-directional track. On secound thought I makes a lot more sense in my situation.

I think it's the recommended way to go when you have 2 parralels tracks, just have them uni-directionnal, and then reason as car-lane.

For the people that made the examples, I will still be making them to try and understand them better to be able to use it in the future, so thank you!

In the second "most complicated" setup, the rule of thumb that may not be obvious could be written as "chain signal at entrances" and "regular signal at exits" ( only when the "exit" is long enough for a full train to fit ). That's what most tutorials would suggest, but depending on the particular case in which you are trying to apply it, it can be very confusing.

In the second setup, the "X" can only be entered by passing a chain signal, but it's not easy to see as there are also regular signals around it. But given their position relative to the tracks, the "regular signals" are present at the 4 exit of the "X" not the entrances of the "X". and the same rule is applied at the smaller junctions.

[Tertius]

In the end I will be going for a uni-directional track.

Good decision.

[IsaacOscar]

In the end I will be going for a uni-directional track.

A bu directional track is actually really easy, just put a chain signal on both ends facing into the rail, and normal signals on the opposite sides.
You don't need any complicated passings or anything, just a long line of tracks.
Of course it may slow down your trains, as only one will be able to use the track at a time.