Rework of the game's trophies list

[RAFAELEZER]

Reminder that 100% is also a speedrunning category that exists and some people are really into. Achievements should push for something that players might otherwise miss. So adding an achievement for placing an assembler would be really against the spirit of the game. Could we do with more achievements? Maybe. Should we have 500? Absolutely not. As others have pointed out, the milestones mod exists and you can create custom achievements as well. Creating a mod is actually quite easy, so if you feel the need, go off and create it. Add as many as you want, for all the things. Chopping 10,000 wood by hand before steel axe; Producing 100M iron; Finishing the game in 4 hours; Placing no more than 10 assemblers. Go off. ChatGPT and guides can be very helpful in developing a mod.

Factorio has a philosophy of making your own fun. So go make your own fun.

It is a good view, but we need something official.

[Shantogen]

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"Trophies" - 27 matches
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Your continuous use of the term "trophies" is a distraction from your main point.

But more importantly, it's worth keeping in mind that anything the game developers work on means something else they can't work on. Feature A is at the expense of Feature B. Developer time isn't unlimited. So the question is not just whether more "trophies" is a worthwhile feature, but whether it's so good that it makes sense to deprioritize other features for it.

For me, the answer to that is a resounding No. I can think of a hundred features in Factorio I'd rather have than more "trophies."

The problem is you guys make a lot of assumptions and don't talk about the point. Are you a game team manager? No.

They can make more trophies and continue working on game. The question is: only 38 trophies is too low for the quantity of the content and activities inside the game.

You are missing the point Rafaelezer. 38 is the number of ACHIEVEMENTS the game has. That number to me is more than enough. That number should remain low because to ACHIEVE something is to overcome an obstacle set before you. Yes some of those obstacles are more for comedic than milestone markers in the game but fewer achievements gives more value to the ones they do have.

Trophies would align much more to what others have said about the Millstones mod. I can concede that having a milestone aspect for each run in the base game would be nice but Factorio was made by programmers for programmers. The mod page is in game on the main menu. You could argue the devs intend you to play with mods. And if a mod exists that fills your niche then perhaps you should give credit to the creator of that mod and download and enjoy the hard work the modder put in.

Also accusing other posters of being self centered when they were not the only ones to voice opposition is a bad look on you. If anything you stating that Factorio "deserves" more achievements is kind of an elitist attitude. Who are you that you should know what the game does or does not deserve. You are free to share you opinion and share that YOU want more achievements but I don't think you have any right to state what they are deserving of. That decision is made by Kovarex and the WUBE team.

Man, It IS simple, I am here because It is an open channel to collect opinions to constantly improve the game. I am saying that Factorios trophies/achievement list could be reworked to reflect the games full potential, and to embrace players who like considerer a good trophy list as a relevant aspect of the game, and I have already posted my arguments. Now you are questioning "who am I to say what the games deserves", If the forum has a section to people express opinions about improvements. What can I say?

Not saying you can't. This is the internet after all so all things considered you can post or say what you like. What we are saying is mainly we disagree.

My second point was in regards to you telling PennyJim and I quote:

I'm going to be honest with you RAFAELEZER, I am violently opposed to muddying the achievements with more than the fun collection we currently have.

I feel like you're coming from a different type of community with calling them trophies, but if there's more than 10 added achievements with SA, then I will probably be a little upset. I'd much rather achievements to mean something rather than being little more than participation trophies cataloguing everything you can do.

The world do not turns around you. There are other players with other views whom could be satisfyed. As you have already said, you dont care about trophies, so It does not affect you if they chance. Liking trophies is legity because It is just a matter of perspective and the customers have the right to play the game as they want, It does not need further explanations.

You incorrectly assumed they did not care about Achievements and further claimed they were being self centered by saying "the world do not turns around you". My counter argument is you stating the Game "deserves" to have more achievements. You may want more achievements, but I don't think you qualify as an authority figure of any kind to state what Factorio does or does not 'deserve'. In your opinion you may think they should have more, but what you value clearly differs from others here.

And to be fair some have agreed that a few more achieves would be nice. Just not to the extent you are describing. We are responding so that the devs can see that though you may want 200+ achievements there are a group of us that don't want that. In the end it is their choice to do what they want.

You put forth the idea. I as a player and fan of the game disagree. Clearly others here also disagree. We simply are making our opinions heard like yours.

If you are willing to make your opinions public on the internet you must accept that others will disagree and just as you shared yours they have a right to counter your opinion with their own.

If your going to insult others when they disagree respectfully then don't get mad when others point out your flaws.

[RAFAELEZER]

Forum search:

"Trophies" - 27 matches
"Achievements" - 3163 matches

Your continuous use of the term "trophies" is a distraction from your main point.

But more importantly, it's worth keeping in mind that anything the game developers work on means something else they can't work on. Feature A is at the expense of Feature B. Developer time isn't unlimited. So the question is not just whether more "trophies" is a worthwhile feature, but whether it's so good that it makes sense to deprioritize other features for it.

For me, the answer to that is a resounding No. I can think of a hundred features in Factorio I'd rather have than more "trophies."

The problem is you guys make a lot of assumptions and don't talk about the point. Are you a game team manager? No.

They can make more trophies and continue working on game. The question is: only 38 trophies is too low for the quantity of the content and activities inside the game.

You are missing the point Rafaelezer. 38 is the number of ACHIEVEMENTS the game has. That number to me is more than enough. That number should remain low because to ACHIEVE something is to overcome an obstacle set before you. Yes some of those obstacles are more for comedic than milestone markers in the game but fewer achievements gives more value to the ones they do have.

Trophies would align much more to what others have said about the Millstones mod. I can concede that having a milestone aspect for each run in the base game would be nice but Factorio was made by programmers for programmers. The mod page is in game on the main menu. You could argue the devs intend you to play with mods. And if a mod exists that fills your niche then perhaps you should give credit to the creator of that mod and download and enjoy the hard work the modder put in.

Also accusing other posters of being self centered when they were not the only ones to voice opposition is a bad look on you. If anything you stating that Factorio "deserves" more achievements is kind of an elitist attitude. Who are you that you should know what the game does or does not deserve. You are free to share you opinion and share that YOU want more achievements but I don't think you have any right to state what they are deserving of. That decision is made by Kovarex and the WUBE team.

Man, It IS simple, I am here because It is an open channel to collect opinions to constantly improve the game. I am saying that Factorios trophies/achievement list could be reworked to reflect the games full potential, and to embrace players who like considerer a good trophy list as a relevant aspect of the game, and I have already posted my arguments. Now you are questioning "who am I to say what the games deserves", If the forum has a section to people express opinions about improvements. What can I say?

Not saying you can't. This is the internet after all so all things considered you can post or say what you like. What we are saying is mainly we disagree.

My second point was in regards to you telling PennyJim and I quote:

I'm going to be honest with you RAFAELEZER, I am violently opposed to muddying the achievements with more than the fun collection we currently have.

I feel like you're coming from a different type of community with calling them trophies, but if there's more than 10 added achievements with SA, then I will probably be a little upset. I'd much rather achievements to mean something rather than being little more than participation trophies cataloguing everything you can do.

The world do not turns around you. There are other players with other views whom could be satisfyed. As you have already said, you dont care about trophies, so It does not affect you if they chance. Liking trophies is legity because It is just a matter of perspective and the customers have the right to play the game as they want, It does not need further explanations.

You incorrectly assumed they did not care about Achievements and further claimed they were being self centered by saying "the world do not turns around you". My counter argument is you stating the Game "deserves" to have more achievements. You may want more achievements, but I don't think you qualify as an authority figure of any kind to state what Factorio does or does not 'deserve'. In your opinion you may think they should have more, but what you value clearly differs from others here.

And to be fair some have agreed that a few more achieves would be nice. Just not to the extent you are describing. We are responding so that the devs can see that though you may want 200+ achievements there are a group of us that don't want that. In the end it is their choice to do what they want.

You put forth the idea. I as a player and fan of the game disagree. Clearly others here also disagree. We simply are making our opinions heard like yours.

If you are willing to make your opinions public on the internet you must accept that others will disagree and just as you shared yours they have a right to counter your opinion with their own.

If your going to insult others when they disagree respectfully then don't get mad when others point out your flaws.

Sorry, but I stopped reading in "I dont think you qualify as an autority in Factorio". The problem is you dont know what is an open Fórum and what is a section called "ideas and suggestion", and why companies make this spaces to hear the game base players. Please do not reply me anymore and search FAQ Sessions to further explanations.

[Koub]

[Koub] The discussion about the original suggestion has turned into an increasingly off topic argument between people. Please stop by yourselves, or I'll have to stop it for you.