Friday Facts #211 - The little things

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Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby Klonan » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:44 pm

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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby unobtanium » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:54 pm

I dont really mind no additional features. I accually want to see more QoL improvements, i always felt like Factorio did a really good job on allowing the player to interact with the world in faster and efficient ways and enjoyed them a great deal. Keep them comming!

edit: Hm, shouldnt the drawing and gamemechanics of entities be seperated to the point to use them independently? I am curious, since it sounds like you are using three different systems now to draw entities in the gameworld, in the blueprint preview and as ghost entities. Or at least three different systems to determine their sprite based on adjacent entities.
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby Mercury044 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:57 pm

this will be great as I have had to stop and think about where stuff is going looking at blueprints and ghosts but now side loading vs a turn will look different and that's great!
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby chris13524 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 1:57 pm

the work on the artillery train has already started and it is probably going to be epic


It better be epic! I've held off on playing until this is introduced :D

I hope this will prevent aliens from creeping onto tracks and destroying the trains?

Great work guys, very excited!
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby noliVe » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:11 pm

and, why always adding stuff!
make the small silver things to gold and polish them into diamonds!

things i´m still missing is

- AUTO-Download(activate) Mods you need to connect to a server or your own-save.
- Chat-LOG to easily do more with IRC, Discord , PHP (SQL)

als always thanks for working this many hours on your game
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby IronCartographer » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:20 pm

People certainly notice and appreciate the little things.

I don't know who is behind the oil patch highlighting while holding a pumpjack, but little things like that are beautiful touches. Thanks!
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby innesm » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:26 pm

>shouldnt the drawing and gamemechanics of entities be seperated to the point to use them independently?

Imagine how great Factorio was if the commenters on here were writing it...
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby Proxy » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:28 pm

noticed that unrotated pipes are larger than rotated ones...

especially saw this when lagging on a server when you had the big pipe you placed standing around for a bit before shrinking and then rotating acordingly to the pipes nearby
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby chris13524 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 2:33 pm

innesm wrote:>shouldnt the drawing and gamemechanics of entities be seperated to the point to use them independently?

It's generally good design to decouple things as you suggest; but apparently Factorio is so highly optimized that everything needs to be tightly coupled.
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby maniak1349 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:05 pm

Little things like this actually are what makes Factorio what it is. Looking forward for loads of those in 0.16.
Also can we expect anytime soon in depth FFF about UI changes that are under way?
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby MeduSalem » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:19 pm

We might either just not do it for pipes, use some special trick later, or wait until the fluid flow gets optimized. The optimizations would probably mean that the fluid control logic would be handled externally like belts, which might simplify things regarding the fake connections.


I'd actually be interested to know more about what you guys plan to do about the quirky/weird (not to say somewhat horrifying) Fluid mechanics. Would be interesting to have a dedicated Friday Facts about. :)
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby TheTom » Fri Oct 06, 2017 3:50 pm

MeduSalem wrote:
We might either just not do it for pipes, use some special trick later, or wait until the fluid flow gets optimized. The optimizations would probably mean that the fluid control logic would be handled externally like belts, which might simplify things regarding the fake connections.


I'd actually be interested to know more about what you guys plan to do about the quirky/weird (not to say somewhat horrifying) Fluid mechanics. Would be interesting to have a dedicated Friday Facts about. :)


Yeah. There is something broken there, including the rounding issues. And performance.

PLus add a lot of interest in.... performance optimizations ;)
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby kovarex » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:02 pm

maniak1349 wrote:Little things like this actually are what makes Factorio what it is. Looking forward for loads of those in 0.16.
Also can we expect anytime soon in depth FFF about UI changes that are under way?

Yes, the next FFF will be about that (although it is for 0.17).
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby tazdu29 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:07 pm

Yeah ! This blueprint thing was bugging me too !

About the pipes, why don't you just check if there is another pipe nearby, and where (top/bottom, left/right), to rotate the tile accordingly? That won't break fluids behavior, but will look way better!

Also, Is it just me or it's impossible to control which way underground belts goes when in ghost placing mode? Because when I blueprinted my (ghost) prototype, and then placed it, all the underground belts were in random ways.

Hope to see some other great news fast, anyways!
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby dasiro » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:08 pm

I'd imagine that modplayers would love the option to actually see which mod is required for the blueprint, as some have so many mods installed, they lose track of which one they had to enable for a specific blueprint to work
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby 5thHorseman » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:28 pm

kovarex wrote:
maniak1349 wrote:Little things like this actually are what makes Factorio what it is. Looking forward for loads of those in 0.16.
Also can we expect anytime soon in depth FFF about UI changes that are under way?

Yes, the next FFF will be about that (although it is for 0.17).


First off, cool I look forward to any official discussion of fluid mechanics.

Second, I thought .16 was to be the release candidate?
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby Jap2.0 » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:34 pm

kovarex wrote:
maniak1349 wrote:Little things like this actually are what makes Factorio what it is. Looking forward for loads of those in 0.16.
Also can we expect anytime soon in depth FFF about UI changes that are under way?

Yes, the next FFF will be about that (although it is for 0.17).

0.17 CONFIRMED ?!?

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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby TeDeum » Fri Oct 06, 2017 4:37 pm

we are focusing on polishing and finishing the game.

Good! Please finish it already and start Factorio 2 in 3D and VR :)
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby AlienX » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:10 pm

I like these types of things, it makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside to know that something that pissed me off so much (the BP belts, eg) is now going to be fixed :)

If you were not so far away Mr Factorio Dev, i would give you a big hug lol
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Re: Friday Facts #211 - The little things

Postby MeduSalem » Fri Oct 06, 2017 5:23 pm

TeDeum wrote:Good! Please finish it already and start Factorio 2 in 3D and VR :)


Hopefully they don't ever go that path.

That said if it's pseudo-3D using sprites in some kind of axonometric projection I might be able to live with it.

I have that opinion because in the past so many strategy/simulation/building games started to suck when they made a full 3d transition. For example I'd rather play SIm City 4 another 10 years because of its sprite charm (especially with community content)... than to consider playing one of the modern full 3D city builders which completely lack soul and which I'm losing interest to play after only a couple of weeks and which I never feel returning to.

Full 3D needs a crapton of post-processing shaders which kill performance and detailed artwork to make it appealing to the eye and to give it a unique feeling... and for me it's one of the main reasons why even a lot of the Triple A gamedevelopers who could afford going full 3D return to using a mixture of 3D and Sprite graphics.
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