Friday Facts #423 - Research info tooltip & Online players GUI

[Jerm993]

Will the notification cameras be limited to the fog of war? AKA say we get an alert outside of radar, do we still see what's going on?

[GregoriusT]

Does

it was a little bit annoying having to remote view to the labs back on Nauvis

count as confirmation that labs will only be buildable on Nauvis?

while i would like that question answered officially too, i can only guess that because they do multiplayer, they are just staying on nauvis because they could not decide where else to build the labs.

[Koub]

Does

it was a little bit annoying having to remote view to the labs back on Nauvis

count as confirmation that labs will only be buildable on Nauvis?

You can't *not* build labs on Nauvis, cause you need some science to be able to get anywhere else.
And once there, it's easier to send back the planet specific science to Nauvis for research, instead of sending ALL the science doable on Nauvis on a remote planet for research purpose.
The most straightforward is obviously to make use of the research labs already built on Nauvis and just import the science packs from the other planets.

[gnutrino]

Except that the Gleba pack spoils so it actually makes most sense to put the labs there if you're allowed...

[Koub]

Would it be more expensive to send everything to Gleba from Nauvis, or just overbuild on Gleba to compensate for the spoiling, and sent it to Nauvis ? Both could be viable, depending on the costs, the volumes needing to be sent, the duration, ...

[FutureSpec]

I'm concerned about the drip drip of tiny FFFs. There's only 10 blog posts remaining until SA release and there's loads of enemies/final planet/etc. left to reveal. I'm getting a bad feeling they are holding back "secret" changes for hype purposes, which might help their bottom line but doesn't help the user/consumer.

I'm sure everyone appreciates QoL, but at this point I'm more interested in hearing about actual new mechanical and thematic changes.

At this rate, I plan to sit out a day one purchase and instead watch reviews before I decide about buying. And I say this as a long time fan (hundreds of hours in the vanilla game), but these teeny tiny drip feed of FFFs is quite honestly getting on my nerves now.

[kpreid]

It might be nice if the research info also had some way of presenting “your research is currently limited by the supply of <name> science pack”. Perhaps it could count and graph the number of labs that are idle because they have some, but not all, required science packs. That would help spot “oops I unplugged it” problems faster, and implicitly teach new players about producing a balanced-or-overkill supply of science packs.

[Neutronium]

Next step - multimonitor support, with the ability to pin remote views to separate game windows and put it on different screens.

100%! This would be great for power users engineers who want more data readily accessible while working in the other screen...

• remote view
• production stats
• electric network stats
• research window
• Factoriopedia
• logistics GUI
• etc.

Imagine the command center someone can build for monitoring their megabase with this data across multiple windows while their game is still in character view... or in multiplayer/speedrun games using this for coordination. There are a lot of use cases that would benefit from this.

[kitters]

Well... It was short.
See you next week.

[Danjen]

Lord Doshington made a point in a video that the multiplayer observer mode is very clunky to move around in, fyi

[PsyberWolf]

I'm really looking forward to 2.0!!! But, a suggestion - Some people have extra monitors...maybe make it so that windows can be put on them???

[Xuerian]

Lots of nice changes. Looking forward to the expansion, not sure where the "small" stuff is coming from.

[XT-248]

I wish there were more like a "Research Info Tooltip" tracking for other elements in-game that are not tracked very well in Factorio 1.1.x.


The content of the remote monitor, with a V453000 player, caught my eye.



Why are there at least three pipe pumps sequentially between storage tanks?

Shouldn't the offshore pump pushing Lava provide all of the 'pressurization,' due to #416 changes, necessary for the fluid to reach Lava Fluid consumers?

Does the pipe pump no longer have a maximum flow rate?

[Locane]

The player jump remote view is really cool! Many times I've been playing with my brother and had to ask him where he is in voice chat.

For the destruction alert changes, that looks nice, but maybe we could have a toggle that excludes walls from alerts? That would solve 99% of my issues with damaging alerts, but might not be for everyone.

[NexGenration]

while these are good additions, a simple yet useful addition to the game seems to have been avoided here: let us turn off notifications for walls being destroyed. just walls. nothing else. ive become so desensitized to the "entity was destroyed" alert sound that i dont even notice it half the time.

[TiMatic]

Why are there at least three pipe pumps sequentially between storage tanks?

Shouldn't the offshore pump pushing Lava provide all of the 'pressurization,' due to #416 changes, necessary for the fluid to reach Lava Fluid consumers?

Does the pipe pump no longer have a maximum flow rate?

It was mentioned in FFF-416 that there is a special case that allows pumps to pull at a faster rate if they are connected directly to a storage tank. Maybe that's the reason for it.

[Gharg]

Next step - multimonitor support, with the ability to pin remote views to separate game windows and put it on different screens.

I just dug up my account from ages ago just to say that this would be incredible.

[XT-248]

It was mentioned in FFF-416 that there is a special case that allows pumps to pull at a faster rate if they are connected directly to a storage tank. Maybe that's the reason for it.

I will quote a section from the same FFF Blog.

In the new system, there is no longer a need to use pumps for this purpose. Pumps are still useful to force directional flow, act as conditional valves with a circuit network, and to load/unload trains, but you won't be placing nearly as many of them as before.

Source: FFF-416

The pipe pumps are heading only in one direction (from south to north). I can understand using pumps to force directional flow at a junction, but pump-to-pump sequentially?

The pictured pipe pumps had no circuit connection. So, they are not acting as conditional valves.

Obviously, there is no train unloading/loading anywhere in the example.


It is counter-intuitive since they can connect a simple pipe/underground-pipe network from Lava Offshore Pumps to Lava consumers, and there would be zero maximum throughput issues mechanics-wise. Given that fluid, as much as it pains gameplay-wise me to say it, teleport across a vast distance to where it is being consumed.

[argbla]

Next step - multimonitor support, with the ability to pin remote views to separate game windows and put it on different screens.

Multiple views, opened in separate system windows. You could have the views lock to trains or spidertrons, or track any other entity. But this would be too good. Would we really deserve something that good?

[Mathematician]

With more frequent cases when player works in remote view (and player avatar just stands around) I suggest adding... a chair.