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Post by Kane » Mon Apr 24, 2017 8:49 pm

Looking for a Scenario for 0.15 of course that offers separate research / graphs and starting areas but everyone is friendly turret wise. Something clean and simple and not so bloated.

"Currently in 0.14 there are no "friendly" forces. There are just forces of which you've got a cease-fire. I added "friend" force support for 0.15 which gives you access to the inventories/entities on the other force."

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Re: Wanted: PvE Friendly Separate Teams With Own Starting Base.

Post by Klonan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:14 pm

The PvP scenario can accomplish this, just set everyone on the same 'Team number' and set to locked teams

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Post by Kane » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:15 pm

Klonan wrote:The PvP scenario can accomplish this, just set everyone on the same 'Team number' and set to locked teams
Oh wow thanks I will have to check it out. But if they are the same team though I assume that is shared production / research? I was hoping for neither.

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Post by Klonan » Mon Apr 24, 2017 9:19 pm

Kane wrote:
Klonan wrote:The PvP scenario can accomplish this, just set everyone on the same 'Team number' and set to locked teams
Oh wow thanks I will have to check it out. But if they are the same team though I assume that is shared production / research? I was hoping for neither.
They will be separate 'forces', but will be allied, ie friends, if they have the same 'team number'


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Post by Kane » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:00 am

Might as well use this thread to ask more about this.

"Changed evolution from global to per force" Does not seem to be working at all. Unless /evolution is wrong.

Also is there friendly (allied) to be able to see at least each others play icons on the map discovered or not. Even allied their totally red:
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They should be if not green a allied color.

Thanks.

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Post by Klonan » Tue Apr 25, 2017 9:45 am

Kane wrote:Might as well use this thread to ask more about this.

"Changed evolution from global to per force" Does not seem to be working at all. Unless /evolution is wrong.

Also is there friendly (allied) to be able to see at least each others play icons on the map discovered or not. Even allied their totally red:
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They should be if not green a allied color.

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Evolution shows the evolution factor for the 'enemy' force

I will see about changing friends map colors,

Other than that, is the scenario working well for you?

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Post by Kane » Tue Apr 25, 2017 7:26 pm

Klonan wrote: Evolution shows the evolution factor for the 'enemy' force

I will see about changing friends map colors,

Other than that, is the scenario working well for you?

Yup it seems to be working quite well. The biggest issue (not the scenario at fault really) Is how big the biters bases are just outside our bases. You really need to tech up quite a bit to fight them. I'm using the rail gen right now. But that is expected since further you go out the denser they become. Really enjoying the ability though now to open my mates machines and break/place things and helping each other out when needed. Ohh and gates and such opening now is a big one too. We really enjoy this type of gameplay having our own research / stats but being as allied as possible.

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Post by Blackraz0r » Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:15 pm

The new PvP scenario is that awesome.
We tested it like a few hours ago. That would be our new favorite play style for a very long time now!

DevBoyz thank you for such an amazing scenario, this was what we ever wanted to have!

Keep up the great work, we really need/love stuff like this!

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Post by Kane » Wed Apr 26, 2017 2:17 am

Yikes there is for sure something odd.

First Image: Vanilla, Rail World, Big Start Small Water, Biter Expansions on
Second Image Everything above with the scenario.
Third image is the second image cut up places on the first image.


Not sure if there is a way to calculate sort of the way it works in single player starting at spawn since you do create the players bases ahead of time it be cool to adjust biter spawns a bit better to be around the players more.


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Post by Kane » Wed Apr 26, 2017 4:43 pm

To add more to this.

So it has some effect but then none? It's almost like idk how to explain it... Almost like there is no generators spawning the biters lol.

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Re: Wanted: PvE Friendly Separate Teams With Own Starting Base.

Post by Klonan » Wed Apr 26, 2017 5:14 pm

I tested it, spawning maps with different biter settings, and it all seems to be the same

We have some upcoming map generation changes, so I will test again after they are in the game to see if there might be something we can fix.

Theres also the 'issue' that biter base size increases as your get further out from {0,0},
So when the bases are spawned far apart from one another, they will naturally be near larger bases

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Post by Kane » Wed Apr 26, 2017 6:30 pm

Okay thanks for the info. Yeah my mate has a bit of a biterfobia. I love them and he hates them. If he could have more of a normal start he would not hate it so much. But either way will wait on MP For a while and revisit maybe in 16. I will start getting back into Single :)

Thanks for the info.

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Post by Kane » Sat Apr 29, 2017 6:54 pm

Much much better. I did not expect to see this anytime soon Thank you :)

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Re: Wanted: PvE Friendly Separate Teams With Own Starting Base.

Post by Oarc » Wed May 03, 2017 12:15 am

I'll take a chance at plugging my own scenario:
https://github.com/Oarcinae/FactorioSce ... layerSpawn

The pros:
It's very simple to use and start a game. I don't like complex GUIs in the game to configure stuff. I also like that people can join the game later at anytime.
I just added the ability to be on different teams. Added a shared vision ability as well (this does NOT happen with normal friendly teams/forces).
It's only PvE/CooP so all teams are friendly. This is specifically NOT a PvP map.
Using RSO and some of my own code, spawning far out is safe. Evolution still happens over time and that's the only thing you need to worry about.

I would highly recommend taking a look at my scenario based on what you were asking for.
Please let me know if you have any feedback/questions. I can guide you through any config/tweaking.

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Post by Kane » Wed May 03, 2017 1:25 am

Thanks mate. I used your scenario before we had talked ages ago. I liked the new changes / features with the PvP Map. That being said I will be sure to check yours out in the future. I'm not sure how you deal with biters and far away bases and such but it's dealt with well now in the PvP Scenario. Really the PvP one is almost perfect in a way now it could of course use a few changes but it's getting better.

The shared vision is one thing I wish was enabled option via the Diplomacy window with other diplomacy options.

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Re: Wanted: PvE Friendly Separate Teams With Own Starting Base.

Post by Oarc » Wed May 03, 2017 12:22 pm

The biters issue with far away bases is pretty easily fixed with RSO (I use a soft mod version embedded directly into the scenario).
I'll take a look at how the devs solved this problem in the PvP scenario.

How does the PvP scenario handle players joining after the map has already been setup and started? Do you have to manually create each team at the start? Are the spawn locations randomized? I haven't had a chance to test it out much.

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Post by Kane » Wed May 03, 2017 12:26 pm

You make all the spawns at the start. They can copy them or random gen though if you random gen it's pretty much just one spot with the proper ores and the rest screwed.

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Re: Wanted: PvE Friendly Separate Teams With Own Starting Base.

Post by Oarc » Wed May 03, 2017 5:10 pm

Yeah... that doesn't work for me. I want something where any player can join at any time and still get a decent spawn.
Either way, I have lots to learn from the PvP scenario since it's directly from the dev's hands. (Thanks devs!)

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Re: Wanted: PvE Friendly Separate Teams With Own Starting Base.

Post by WIZ4 » Fri May 12, 2017 11:52 am

Hi. How can I modify a scenario so that when a player enters the server, he has a button where he can create a team and invite players into it?
The fact is that when a player joins an existing team, he can start grifing.
Therefore, I want the player to be able to create a team when entering the server, but he could join others only by invitation.
Sorry for my google translate.
My native language is russian. Sorry if my messages are difficult to read.

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