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Balancing

• Basic oil processing produces only Petroleum gas, for more streamlined oil setup in the beginning.
• Basic oil processing keeps some of the refinery input/output slots unused, so it is more clear which ones will be used by Advanced oil processing.
• Chemical science pack requires Sulfur instead of Solid fuel.
• Flamethrower ammo requires crude oil instead of heavy and Light oil.
• Rocket fuel requires light oil.
• Laser Turrets, Lubricant, and Worker robots technologies need Chemical science pack.
• Deathworld marathon preset was made a little bit easier.

Bugfixes

• Fixed a crash when trying to show invalid thumbnails for mods. (73670)
• Fixed that up/down keyboard navigation of the load/save game GUIs and manage mods GUI didn't work in some cases. (73671)
• Fixed that cloning belts with items didn't preserve the item positions correctly. (73662)
• Fixed a script error in train stations mini-tutorial. (73663)
• Fixed a script error in the NPE. (73705)
• Fixed car turret shadow would rotate in opposite direction to the turret. (73692)
• Fixed that changing sound settings didn't persist through game restart. (73734)
• Fixed that the migrated-content GUI wouldn't show in some cases. (73721)
• Fixed that right-click-and-drag didn't work in the blueprint GUI to remove things. (73704)
• Fixed that unit groups would use paths going through cliffs. (73740)
• Fixed some cases of entity rotation with blocked underground pipes. (73600)
• Fixed inserters sometimes getting stuck when picking up from a non-backed-up underground belt. (72253)

Modding

• Added CraftingMachinePrototype::default_recipe_tint.

Scripting

• Added LuaEntityPrototype::supports_direction read.
• Fixed that LuaGuiElement::force_auto_center() didn't work. (73647)
• Added LuaGameScript::get_filtered_entity_prototypes(), get_filtered_item_prototypes(), get_filtered_equipment_prototypes(), get_filtered_mod_setting_prototypes(), and get_filtered_achievement_prototypes().
• Added workaround for a driver crash when calling D3D11CreateDeviceAndSwapChain. (73780)

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It's here.

0.17.60 is here.

The oil changes are here.

Here's the next thing I'm waiting for: Edit: I made a mod to revert the oil changes here: https://mods.factorio.com/mod/old-basic-oil-processing This does not mean I don't like them.

As you can see, the FFF305 changes are the solution we have found to be the best. Please give it a try, and give it some time to see what the impacts will be.

V453000 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:45 pm

As you can see, the FFF305 changes are the solution we have found to be the best. Please give it a try, and give it some time to see what the impacts will be.

In the FFF305 forum thread, you wrote that you considered and tested other options. Are these still relevant, meaning sometime in the future we will have other changes to oil?

HammerPiano wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:48 pm

V453000 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:45 pm

As you can see, the FFF305 changes are the solution we have found to be the best. Please give it a try, and give it some time to see what the impacts will be.

In the FFF305 forum thread, you wrote that you considered and tested other options. Are these still relevant, meaning sometime in the future we will have other changes to oil?

No, unless we discover some major new issues

V453000 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:45 pm

As you can see, the FFF305 changes are the solution we have found to be the best. Please give it a try, and give it some time to see what the impacts will be.

Thanks for all your dedication in trying various alternatives to see what you felt would work best. Whatever anyone's personal opinions are of the changes as they stand, no-one has any right to say you didn't do everything you could to evaluate the implications and to thoroughly test things before releasing.

And if in time experience shows that the changes do prove to be sub-optimal for the community as a whole, I have full confidence that you'll further refine them as needed.

V453000 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:49 pm

No, unless we discover some major new issues

Ok, time to test the new changes.
Thanks for replying!

The Windows release on GOG should now use the proper (%APPDATA%) save folder.

Also, macOS releases on GOG are live now, too!

Serenity wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:07 pm

V453000 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:45 pm

As you can see, the FFF305 changes are the solution we have found to be the best. Please give it a try, and give it some time to see what the impacts will be.

Thanks for checking other options. I think, this solution is interesting and has it's own appeal, probably a bit too disruptive.
For me its definitely a motivation to check in a new game.

FactorioBot wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:37 pm

[*]Deathworld marathon preset was made a little bit easier.

What exactly was changed?

Thank you ! Really nice work, both on balancing the game & interacting with the Factorio community.

However I think 25 Heavy Oil in Advanced processing recipe is too generous. So I made a thread in the Balancing section. viewtopic.php?f=16&t=73829

jodokus31 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:10 pm

FactorioBot wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:37 pm

[*]Deathworld marathon preset was made a little bit easier.

What exactly was changed?

Enemy evolution time factor is set to 150 (from 200), pollution factor is set to 10 (from 12). Attack cost modifier is set to 80% (from 50%).

Bilka wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:22 pm

jodokus31 wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:10 pm

FactorioBot wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 2:37 pm

[*]Deathworld marathon preset was made a little bit easier.

What exactly was changed?

Enemy evolution time factor is set to 150 (from 200), pollution factor is set to 10 (from 12). Attack cost modifier is set to 80% (from 50%).

Thanks. Yes, the time factor was harsh before.

Hm... sounds like a server-reset coming in somewhen later tonight. The changes to oil and chemical science sound reasonable. I'm looking forward to testing and playing with them

In case anyone wants it:

Pre 0.17.60 Oil



And in case anyone wanted to test other suggested alternatives that the devs decided weren't better than the path they went:

Heavy Oil and Gas from Basic Oil
Sulfur Production from Oils
Adamo Carbon
Light Oil Only
Heavy Oil Chemical Science
TurmOil

Massively disappointed by the oil change. This "fluids for dummies" mechanic should be confined to the NPE campaign only, where all the rest of the baby toys are.

FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:35 pm

In case anyone wants it:

Pre 0.17.60 Oil

And in case anyone wanted to test other suggested alternatives that the devs decided weren't better than the path they went:
Heavy Oil and Gas from Basic Oil
Sulfur Production from Oils

I hope you'll also put mine in the list, which offers natural gas, which is a "simpler alternative" to oil, only requiring the balancing of two fluids at the basic processing level, but 4 outputs at the advanced level. It's also pretty.

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/adamo-carbon

Adamo wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:40 pm

FuryoftheStars wrote: ↑

Tue Jul 30, 2019 3:35 pm

In case anyone wants it:

Pre 0.17.60 Oil

And in case anyone wanted to test other suggested alternatives that the devs decided weren't better than the path they went:
Heavy Oil and Gas from Basic Oil
Sulfur Production from Oils

I hope you'll also put mine in the list, which offers natural gas, which is a "simpler alternative" to oil, only requiring the balancing of two fluids at the basic processing level, but 4 outputs at the advanced level.

https://mods.factorio.com/mod/adamo-carbon

Done

And yeah, if anyone wants me to add their alternatives to my post, let me know. Whether I agree with them or not, I'll do it. Which reminds me, I think there were heavy only and light only variants on there, too... (*goes off to find them*)

At long last I can see some more commitment on the more controversial changes.