[0.18.17] Wrong manufacturing time in Assembly Machines

[Noorphish]

Assembly Machine 1 and 2 have the same manufacturing time info.
Assembly Machine 2 is faster then Assembly Machine 1.
Maybe other manufacturing time informations can be wrong? I can´t check this at the moment.

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[posila]

The time in the tooltip is always time it takes to craft the recipe at 100% speed, not time it takes it to craft in any particular machine.

(Out of curiosity, did you come to Factorio after playing Satisfactory?)

[Noorphish]

Hi,

I never played Satisfactory. I´m a 1980s child and I saw Factorio on Steam in Early Access. It remind me a little bit to the early games in my childhood,
because in the past the game idea was important.

I thougt "Herstellungsdauer" means how long it takes to craft one item. You can see the difference between the two machines.
I play at the moment with a factor of x250, and it´s important to see how much faster are better machines etc.

I´m confused.
I´ve tested.

Machine 1, green science takes 12 sec
Machine 2, green science takes 6 sec

Can it be?

[posila]

Assembling machine 2 should take 8 seconds. (its crafting speed is 0.75 - see tooltip of the machines)

[Noorphish]

Ahh, OK I understand my mistake.

It´s "Not a Bug"

Thank you.

[posila]

I don't disagree that there is potential for improvement of the tooltips here, but I am not in charge of this stuff so I'll leave it here for someone else to decide

[Noorphish]

Ok, thats a good decision.

What I like to see in a tooltip for example:
| crafting time: green science |
Machine 1 | 8 sec |
Machine 2 | 6 sec |
Machine 3 | 4 sec |

[Optera]

Ok, thats a good decision.

What I like to see in a tooltip for example:
| crafting time: green science |
Machine 1 | 8 sec |
Machine 2 | 6 sec |
Machine 3 | 4 sec |

Half way solutions will only confuse more.
If you make machines show different times depending on machine speed, we should go all the way and also show speed after modules.

[Noorphish]

If you make machines show different times depending on machine speed, we should go all the way and also show speed after modules.

I agree with you.

[Pi-C]

Ok, thats a good decision.

What I like to see in a tooltip for example:
| crafting time: green science |
Machine 1 | 8 sec |
Machine 2 | 6 sec |
Machine 3 | 4 sec |

Half way solutions will only confuse more.
If you make machines show different times depending on machine speed, we should go all the way and also show speed after modules.

And this will work until somebody decides to make a mod providing dozens of tiers to assembling machines and modules. Better plan for scrollable tooltips right now!

[Optera]

And this will work until somebody decides to make a mod providing dozens of tiers to assembling machines and modules. Better plan for scrollable tooltips right now!

You misread that as show every possible crafting speed?
My suggestion was to calculate crafting speed when displayed like vehicle speeds.

[Rseding91]

I don't consider it worth the complexity and additional confusion it's going to add to make the times change based off where you're looking at the tooltip.

[Pi-C]

And this will work until somebody decides to make a mod providing dozens of tiers to assembling machines and modules. Better plan for scrollable tooltips right now!

You misread that as show every possible crafting speed?

Apparently. Sorry for the noise!

[Optera]

I don't consider it worth the complexity and additional confusion it's going to add to make the times change based off where you're looking at the tooltip.

Depends what kind of play style you want to promote.

Satisfactory shows items/min after speed modifications allowing me to calculate production lines before building.
In Factorio I'm eyeballing it, adding more machines until either input belt is consumed or output is saturated.

I prefer knowing beforehand if I need a red or blue belt, fast or stack inserter without having to do all math outside the game.

[posila]

Depends what kind of play style you want to promote.

Satisfactory shows items/min after speed modifications allowing me to calculate production lines before building.
In Factorio I'm eyeballing it, adding more machines until either input belt is consumed or output is saturated.

I prefer knowing beforehand if I need a red or blue belt, fast or stack inserter without having to do all math outside the game.

Personally, I have never felt need to do math in Factorio (so I kind of assume most other people don't either) and am mainly playing by watching how saturated belts are and whether machines are working continuously or they have idle periods. I think that's perfectly fine and maybe even expected playstyle for Factorio. I do enjoy Satisfactory too, but because belt throughput is concern at every stage of the game, I almost always do the math ... which sometimes feels like a chore.