Development and Discussion

[buggy123]

Also, question: How exactly is steam temperature and power generation related to each other? If i feed low-temp steam into a steam engine, do I get less power? Does it consume more? Is it less efficient? Am I losing power if i premix all the different temperature steams from the cooling towers? And how does this all work with the various tiers of steam engines from bob's mods?

The steam engines have a maximum temperature listed when you mouse over them. If your steam is 150 degrees and the maximum temperature is 300 degrees, then you're only going to receive half of the maximum power production. The amount of steam used is probably going to be higher since the engine can't satisfy demand as well as it would with higher heat steam, which is why you want it as close to the maximum as possible for better efficiency. (This is based on my personal observation)

Bob's steam engines have different maximum temperatures as do the turbines used by reactors. I've also noticed that if the temperature is under 100 degrees then the steam engines refuse to work no matter what, so the 50 degree steam from cooling is only useful for cracking.

Hopefully that answers things well enough, but I'm sure someone with far more time on their hands can answer it better.

Thank you, that explains it well. Also I just checked and the wiki also has all this info, whoops.

Which is problematic because you can't seem to barrel steam by default so moving it around is a pain.

Barrels probably don't retain temperature, so that makes sense.

[Sedar]

Barrels probably don't retain temperature, so that makes sense.

50° steam is ok for barrelling with Steam Barreling mod forsteam cracking purpose. Rest of steam good for burning right after making.

[SirBriguy]

Hello Angel, just wanted to say I love the mods, though I still have yet to get to the end of the game with them.

I was looking at the various wire coil stuff which is nice for compression. I was wondering if it would make sense to add a Solder Coil variant as well?

[Sedar]

By the way, I found a very unpleasant feature of the wire coils. The fact is that they can not be unwound in electronic assembly machines. And unwound wires are very inconvenient to transport. I hope this will be fixed.

[Sedar]

Hm, last changes with recepie rate in smelting 0.3.6 a bit strange for me. I play in railvorld, so no marathon mode. And do not see the reason to increase ALL recepies rates in 1.25+. Just downgrade smelting to 0.3.5. Right now i dont see reason for that global downgrade for all my factories.

[Arch666Angel]

Hm, last changes with recepie rate in smelting 0.3.6 a bit strange for me. I play in railvorld, so no marathon mode. And do not see the reason to increase ALL recepies rates in 1.25+. Just downgrade smelting to 0.3.5. Right now i dont see reason for that global downgrade for all my factories.

If you set recipes to expensive when you generated the map it will default to the more expensive version there. Also it's not affecting all recipes, recipes with expensive versions are currently: sorting, crystallizing, crushed to stone, plastic bars, resin bars, rubber, oil separation, gas separation, all casting into plates or coil recipes.

[Sedar]

If you set recipes to expensive when you generated the map it will default to the more expensive version there. Also it's not affecting all recipes, recipes with expensive versions are currently: sorting, crystallizing, crushed to stone, plastic bars, resin bars, rubber, oil separation, gas separation, all casting into plates or coil recipes.

Yes, when I start the map, I set complex recipes. But they are already complex even before this smelting update! Double-complex steel, gears, wires and other basic components. Now this complexity is multiplying by complexity is added by the smelting changes.

This is ok, when you start a new map and you can choose the complexity that ok for you. But when in the middle of the game the complexity multiplies it's a little disappointing.

In any case, I understand your position but right now I not ready for such changes at the current level of development of the main map (the early mid-game). So I remain on the version of smelting to 0.3.5. Closer to the middle of the mid-game, I will be able to resist these sudden changes in smelting and wil try new updates with new nice things.

btw:

By the way, I found a very unpleasant feature of the wire coils. The fact is that they can not be unwound in electronic assembly machines. And unwound wires are very inconvenient to transport.

[Arch666Angel]

If you set recipes to expensive when you generated the map it will default to the more expensive version there. Also it's not affecting all recipes, recipes with expensive versions are currently: sorting, crystallizing, crushed to stone, plastic bars, resin bars, rubber, oil separation, gas separation, all casting into plates or coil recipes.

Yes, when I start the map, I set complex recipes. But they are already complex even before this smelting update! Double-complex steel, gears, wires and other basic components. Now this complexity is multiplying by complexity is added by the smelting changes.

This is ok, when you start a new map and you can choose the complexity that ok for you. But when in the middle of the game the complexity multiplies it's a little disappointing.

In any case, I understand your position but right now I not ready for such changes at the current level of development of the main map (the early mid-game). So I remain on the version of smelting to 0.3.5. Closer to the middle of the mid-game, I will be able to resist these sudden changes in smelting and wil try new updates with new nice things.

btw:

By the way, I found a very unpleasant feature of the wire coils. The fact is that they can not be unwound in electronic assembly machines. And unwound wires are very inconvenient to transport.

Well I cannot change your settings sadly, you can only set them in general. So if you set expensive at the start you are stuck with it. Only thing you could try is to edit the settings file in refining to allow for values <1 and then undo the changes with a modifier, but that wont work in all cases, there are examples where the ratio is not increased by exactly 25%.

Edit: Oh and added it

[Neemys]

If you set expensive recipe in world settings screen they can be edited during game :

The followings command disable achievement, if you want them not to disable achievement use a mod to execute them.

write the following command to change from expensive to normal recipes :

Code: Select all

/c game.difficulty_settings.recipe_difficulty = 0

Unfortunately it will be applied to ALL mods and not only angels, so if you want only to disable angels expensive recipe you need to edit his mod.

There are similar command for technology difficulty and multiplier.

[Sedar]

If you set expensive recipe in world settings screen they can be edited during game :

The followings command disable achievement, if you want them not to disable achievement use a mod to execute them.

write the following command to change from expensive to normal recipes :

Code: Select all

/c game.difficulty_settings.recipe_difficulty = 0

Unfortunately it will be applied to ALL mods and not only angels, so if you want only to disable angels expensive recipe you need to edit his mod.

There are similar command for technology difficulty and multiplier.

Thanks for the advice, I will know about this opportunity. But I prefer to upgrade later, with reach later level of technology and with preservation of complexity.

[cpy]

I like that liquid metal have colors now, but is it possible to also have realistic molten metal temperature?
Here's list of them:
Iron 1538°C, Copper 1085°C, Tin 232°C, Lead 327°C, Titanium 1668°C, Aluminium 660°C, Chromium 1907°C, Cobalt 1495°C, Glass SiO2 1723°C,
Gold 1064°C, Silver 962°C, Manganese 1246°C, Nickel 1455°C, Silicon 1414°C, Zinc 420°C - blaze it!,

Bronze 950°C, Brass 920°C, Gunmetal 1000°C,

Electrum ? guess 1020°C, Cobalt Steel ? guess 1500°C,

Tungstic acid 100°C, Tungsten hexafluoride melt: 2.3°C boil: 17,1°C,

Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

[buggy123]

Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

I can confirm this:

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[Arch666Angel]

Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

I can confirm this:

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I added an extra variable for that, so the game wont use the recipe to calculate crafting paths, but seems that is not enough.

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[buggy123]

Also recipes that require copper cables do not work automatically now in latest update angelssmelting_0.3.8.zip and angelsrefining_0.7.23.zip that I updated today.

I can confirm this:

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I added an extra variable for that, so the game wont use the recipe to calculate crafting paths, but seems that is not enough.

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Ooo, a cannon turret and a rocket launcher?

...

Can we put nukes in them?

[Sedar]

Looks awesome.

I hope you pay attention to the early game content. As for the middle/endgame at the moment there is a lot of content, but at the beginning of the game the choice of weapons/defence is quite small.

ps: thank you wery much for adding a recipe for unwinding the wire spools to an electronic assembly machine.

[QuackerJ4ck]

Whoever is still Fluorite-Ore starving:

Here a quick change:

Angelpetrochem -> prototypes -> recipes -> petrochem-sulfur.lua
Line 109 {type="item", name="fluorite-ore", amount=2},

[cpy]

Electric boiler have pollution 22.2? Really? Do you have trouble breathing from all the pollution when your electric water boiler makes hot water for your coffee or tea?

[iamwyza]

Electric boiler have pollution 22.2? Really? Do you have trouble breathing from all the pollution when your electric water boiler makes hot water for your coffee or tea?

So much this. Electric boilers are 100% clean and also should have an efficiency of >90%. (boilers can be as high as 100% efficient for indoor units, 95% for outdoor)

[aklesey1]

New Angel Smelting update brings to us recipe for fiberglass board - glass + resin

And here's the serious concerning question - what to do with tons of plastic which can be received from Angel Petrochem and its awesome mini-addon PetrochemPlus by kinnom, if resin'll replace plastic in recipe for fiberglass board
There must some branch for using plastics or it will just become dusty in a warehouse as garbage
Practice shows that electronics doesn't consume a large amount of plastic, and silicone plays much more important role

if I constantly battle with aliens i can make laser ammo, but I all the same have decent amount of plastic
Making batteries of all types can't solve my problem

[Arch666Angel]

Electric boiler have pollution 22.2? Really? Do you have trouble breathing from all the pollution when your electric water boiler makes hot water for your coffee or tea?

So much this. Electric boilers are 100% clean and also should have an efficiency of >90%. (boilers can be as high as 100% efficient for indoor units, 95% for outdoor)

For arguments sake, why do electric mining drills and electric assembly machines produce pollution then?

You will never transfer 100% of the energy put into such a mechanism to the medium you want to heat, there is always an energy loss either because of material resistence, transfer mediums or other forms of energy loss from a system.

Also the matter of game balance is that you could make an infinite loop with steam engines and/or a loop with a gain with bobs steam engines.