Ho to open map without zooming out every time?

[Dixi]

I asks several times, and still no answer, except that it's not a bug.

When you press open map (M or TAB by default) remove view with maximum zoom-in is open. Resulting screen looks like a mess, until you scroll out to typical map zoom level. So one have to mouse scroll out every time, that is quite annoying and time consuming.

I was told, that I have to press Alt-right/left to switch to previous opened map view. But technology windows appears in same list multiply times, so when I press Alt-left, even several times, I usually see no map, but tech windows, that I do not need.

I did several requests/proposals to have an option to use map key to open map exactly like it was in v1.1, to have an ability to set default resolution for a new remove view (even in console or change it in any config file), or any other reasonable method to press a key and see a map without being forced to zoom out every time.

Whole problem is very annoying, since I use map a lot, to plan base building.

Could someone gives clear explanation how to open a map with normal zoom level (exactly like it was in 1.1) with one key press? Please?!

[Dixi]

I also saw similar complains, and already attempts to do a mod, to fix this problem, but no solution yet

[Dixi]

After getting to space, I got some understanding, that in case of building in space, closer view is needed, but I still do not understand why remove view and map was merged in one things. Map (as it exist before in v1.1) is really needed to build on Nauvis (not sure about other planets), while remove view is for other things. They might look similar, and idea of being able to zoom-in on a map, and do something there remotely is cool, but it still do not solve the problem or frequent action "open/close MAP around my character" just to check surrounding, directions and layout of base.
There should be different keys for those actions, and even if they open same Remove View window, they must open it with different resolution. In case of map, it should show a lot around, like it was in v1.1, while for remove view, you can have different default level of zoom.

[J-H]

A clickable zoom control would be nice, too... Factorio doesn't like my mouse's scroll wheel. Going out too far usually takes a few seconds to complete. Or, even better, a set of pre-defined (or user defined) zoom levels, perhaps bound to unused keypad keys?
9 to zoom way out, 1 to go back to Engineer view, 5 in the middle, etc.

[BlueTemplar]

F9 and Ctrl+F9 are already like that. (Also work for Remote view.)
(They seem to be for pixel-exact zooms respectively on 72 DpI ~ FullHD screens and 144 DpI ~ UHD-1 screens.)

So maybe some more like this, but for a 'standard' 'map' view ?

[Dixi]

I wonder why so few people complain about this problem? Most just silently scrolling mouse to zoom-out, and hoping that it will be fixed without their participation?

[Koub]

I wonder why so few people complain about this problem? Most just silently scrolling mouse to zoom-out, and hoping that it will be fixed without their participation?

Not everyone has the same play style, and not everyone has the same tolerance to small irritants -and not even everyone is bothered the same way by something.

[BlueTemplar]

Yeah, I haven't noticed it before you pointed it out !
My own first annoyance is map-related too though.

[Dixi]

I wonder why so few people complain about this problem? Most just silently scrolling mouse to zoom-out, and hoping that it will be fixed without their participation?

Not everyone has the same play style, and not everyone has the same tolerance to small irritants -and not even everyone is bothered the same way by something.

Yes, I understand that you at WUBE likely use interface, and map in particular, different way, else the problem would not appear.
But I think there are lot of players, who used to v1.1 map interface, and we very much hope that it will be added as option/updated/provided/restored/whatever-you-call-it, since the fix is quite simple.

For sample you may allows us to preset default zoom scale for new remove view, as an option, or set it as console command.
Or make a checkmark - save zoom scale for remove view
Or add one more keybind that returns to last open/used remove view.

In current version, if you manage to find "that" remove view window (previously opened), by clicking Alt-left/right multiply times, it seems keeps resolution and position, but due to excessive amount of technology windows, appearing in same list, for unknown reason, it's complicated, and is not a solution.

As I understand, for some reason you merged map with a Remote View, while, for me it's quite different things, and should have separate hotkeys. Map is used to answer questions like: In what part of base am I? What's around? Where do I have a free place? Where biters attacking my base? Where my trains got stuck? Usually I travel by foot/car/train/teleport after briefly looking at map, since I do not keep whole base covered by logistics network. While 2.0 Remove view, as I understand, more oriented for some immediate actions right in that window. So it's different parts of interface.

Could we have some way to open map like it was in v1.1 with a hotkey please?

[Xorimuth]

Honestly I played ~40 hours of SA and I never even noticed that this had changed, let alone be bothered by it.

[Dixi]

Also answering, that it will be fixed, but a bit later, could be a good answer. Since current answers were: not a bug, neither a problem, but a proposal only. Not a correct definition for quite often used feature, that was working well for many years, and suddenly appears broken (or working much less comfortable then before).

[Tertius]

This is an annoyance, but you don't notice it until you think about it. Until you think about it, you just zoom/move the view from the default to what it was before manually every time you open the map. It's quick, so you get used to it and doing it without thinking. But once you realize what you're doing every time, it's annoying and you want this better.

[Koub]

I've seen the reply from a dev in a Not-a-bug thread :

This is working as intended. Every time Remote View (previously "map") is opened from the hot key or by clicking the minimap, the zoom level is reset to the same default level.

However, with Factorio 2.0, new navigation controls have been added for "Back" and "Forward" (Mouse-4 and Mouse-5 by default) that will allow you to navigate back to the previous view positions and zoom levels. I hope that this new navigation feature will be a sufficient replacement.

Maybe this can help alleviate the burden ? At least until the devs decide if they need to change the way it works or not based on feedback.

[Dixi]

Unfortunately viewed technology windows goes to same list of already opened Remove View windows.
For unknow to me reason, but they both there, in same list.
As s result using Back and Forward (Alt-Left/Right hotkeys), that are switching between already opened windows shows mostly parts of technology tree.

If you just opens a map (as Remote View) zoom it out (AGAIN,#$&*!), then close it, and press Alt-left, you'll open correctly zoomed map. But if you check something about technology in between, then those Alt-left will not show you the map, but return to previously viewed tech. And to get to previous map view you have to press Alt-left unknown amount of times.

[mmmPI]

Could someone gives clear explanation how to open a map with normal zoom level (exactly like it was in 1.1) with one key press? Please?!

I'm not sure if that is what you are after nor if this the proper use of the feature, but i'm using those "pins" under the minimap a lot to enter "map view", and you can configure the level of "preview" but when you click a pin it also shows the area at this choosen level of preview , may you'd prefer a 256 or 512 settings to see more of the map at once ?

You can create them with "Alt+right click" , i used a lot of them at first but the arrow pointing somewhere was annoying most of the time, i just kept one for each planet

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I can't recall what was the "normal" zoom level in 1.1, i was alwas scrolling in and out, to either see precisely what' going on in the factory/use remote view now, or large zoom out to check pollution cloud, turret coverage, biter expansion , ressource availability for outpost planning and so on.


Edit : i found the function associated with "mouse 4 and mouse 5" to be impossible to use at first, almost as if it was showing me a random screen, i needed to be explained that it was a hotkey for the arrows on the top right of the screen that point forward and backward, as a browser through previously opened screen which doesn't work AT ALL with the frequency at which i'm switching surface view, i can never have a list of previous screen in my head and be expected to know which one i'll see clicking so i just don't use them at all.

[BlueTemplar]

In 1.1, map view remembers the last zoom level you were at when you left it. (Not certain about normal view, IIRC that's the case too ?)

However, when/if this functionality is brought back to 2.0, it should probably be remembered per surface (=planet / space platform) ?

[Dixi]

However, when/if this functionality is brought back to 2.0, it should probably be remembered per surface (=planet / space platform) ?

For now we even did not have an answer, is it considered a missing feature, and is it expected to be fixed? The only answer to bug report, about "map zoom level is not saved" I saw "not a bug".

So asking to save several map zoom levels, depending on location, might be a bit too optimistic. BTW do you need a map on space platform? Can they be created so big?

[BlueTemplar]

It's just me explaining what a surface is for those that might not know.

And you need to think about mods here, I've heard that Space Exploration's space platforms can get quite big ? (At least in 1.1.)

P.S.: Leave devs some time to respond, I expect them to be very busy with all the bug reports alone...

[Dixi]

So far, the most reasonable proposal to fix map zoom level is:
To have two separate keybinds: one that works exactly like now, and another, that opens same Remove View, centered on a player, but with typical map zoom level, like it was in v1.1

[BlueTemplar]

IMHO related :
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