Anyone willing to put an eff2 module in a pumpjack, has to ask themselves if they'd also be willing to pay 1500 copper, 800 iron and 450 petroleum for a solar panel. Because that's would be an equally good investment. Good numbers BlakeMW. Strangely enough, because of the super-cheap prices of Effi...

I think you misunderstand what Efficiency modules are useful for, their not valuable for things you need to mass produce, they're valuable for everything else you've chosen to automate. You can cut quite a bit of energy costs by running 1xspeed3 and 3xeff3 in things like your assembly machine assem...

Can we put combinators onto a train? Like a "Smart Wagon", that maybe allows you to build combinators on the train itself? If I can put constant-combinators on a train (and if 0.14 allows train contents to be "read into" a train station through the circuit network), then it woul...

If anything, Efficiency Modules 3 modules need a massive buff. The math has been crunched: Speed Modules allow an Assembly Machine with PM3 to use less power per item crafted. To keep up with Speed Modules for the alleged "Efficiency" boost, Efficiency3 modules need ~150% energy reduction ...

Can we put combinators onto a train? Like a "Smart Wagon", that maybe allows you to build combinators on the train itself? If I can put constant-combinators on a train (and if 0.14 allows train contents to be "read into" a train station through the circuit network), then it would...

I'm still a bit amused that the only change from my initial post was reverting the output direction towards the middle column. The simplest ideas are often the best, so well done, dragontamer; probably this actually is the end of the line in terms of floor space required for coal-based smelting (it...

I think I got it now. optimized.png 9x70 design. 630 tiles for fully compressed input and output per line. For a grand total of 1890 tiles if this design were to scale up to 3 output belts. (UNDER 2000 tiles!) In the early game, you could accomplish the same with yellow-belts with 2x12 (24 total) st...

Hmm, BlakeMW's post gives me an idea of the fundamentals at play here. (As usual, my idea of fundamentals is constantly changing. Ah well...) Assuming 3-belts of output, 210 steel furnaces are a must, as are 420 inserters (210 input, 210 output). So we have a 2x2, and two 1x1 inserters to "tile...

The issue is that the "middle" belts will require more room. That probably is solvable... but 18x70 for 3-express belts is... kinda looking possible right now. But you're only feeding 1.5 belts of ore in that screenshot, so that won't be enough for the 3 belts of output. Yeah, I edited my...

Confirmed that 18-tiles high is what this pattern can do for 3-output belts. The issue is that the "middle" belts will require more room. That probably is solvable... but 18x70 is definitely an underestimate, but I'm sure I don't need 18x140. Ideally, this pattern comes out to be 18x110 or...

Actually, this design tiles very well. I'll have to build it out in full-scale later. Factorio 0.13.11 8_11_2016 11_38_39 AM.png I only need a row of 35, now that I think of it. 12x70 for two belts of output == 840 footprint. Three belts would be doable with one more row. So 18x70 for 1260 footprint...

That's still gets us a "practical" size of 700, which is still larger than 657. gheift is using some sort of magic... "Practical" size is the key word here. For the 657 tiles of footprint that gheift advertises cannot be distributed into a square or rectangular area. So some of ...

Hm, I asking myself: what are you doing? You need a big Fabric to generate enough Materials to generate this lane. Not really. 3-compressed belts of input is just a single train wagon. Imagine the 3-lanes coming from 24-stack inserters pulling off a train (12-pulling from the train directly to a bu...

There is however a solution which allows a 100% compressed belt, and it isn't any wider as it exploits the ability to place mixed belts under inserters and merge them later (technically you can always merge belts, but you can't use this trick with 1 lane of ore and 1 lane of coal, it only works wit...

I admit defeat, although I have learned a bit about optimization. I have virtually tied your design siggboy, but alas, the slight inefficiency eeks out a victory for your design. I've dropped my design down to 23 x 107 footprint == 2461 (for the furnace section, not counting the tiling setup ahead)....

(By the way, my design can be made 2 tiles shorter, for a footprint of 11x75 for one column.) You realize that my design is only 23-tiles wide for 3-output belts, right? Your design is literally 50% wider than mine (33 wide vs 23-wide). I'll need to be a bit longer, but I really do think that reduc...

So your setup is about 17% bigger, AND it's not tileable, AND it's more expensive to build (more splitters, more inserters, fast inserters where you'd only need normal ones, etc. etc.). Ah, but the fundamentals of your setup are inefficient. You saved room because of the underground belt trick, whi...

Whoa, nelly :). You like to make things complicated! I appreciate the criticism! A few things before I go into your post: 3-blue belts feed 12-stack inserters very well, which means you can load a single wagon. So anything less than 3-blue belts will inevitably have to scale up to this size (at lea...

I do realize that most players may prefer electric furnaces at this stage of the game, but electric furnace builds have already been studied in a significant fashion. I felt like the status-quo for steel-furnace setups was lacking, so here's my contribution. https://s3.amazonaws.com/dragontamersvide...

OdinYggd wrote:I was able to complete it a few weeks ago with only 100 handcrafts. Pretty much once you get a couple of assembler 2, every single piece is made by the factory itself.

Except the Refinery. So you are oil-bound until you get Assembler 3.