... the gate to quality isn't a researched recipe, it's a factory you need to design. (in my opinion it's failing since it's just as tedious, boring and uninteresting as more tiers, but that's just my personal opinion)

The game without quality is perfectly balanced. Removing normal items and ...

... max speed and acceleration with higher quality.

Because it simply makes absolute sense to do it.

Trains simply need more love in this game, especially less use of UPS for having wonderful train megabases again. Because everything done with belts just because of bad train UPS is simply boring.

... means lower speed, longer cycle time, and ultimately more ships per SPM.

That's tiny. I have a 600k espm promethium storage ship and it's boring as hell.


I think h.q.droid is saying that it's more efficient NOT to use storage ship at this size, it's already currently possible to build the ...

That's tiny. I have a 600k espm promethium storage ship and it's boring as hell.


Well, I want to take a look at it :) 600k espm is about equivalent to my ship here at ~research productivity 75: https://forums.factorio.com/viewtopic.php?t=130934

What's your cycle time? And UPS with ship en route ...

because belt storage encourages boring builds while being about 6x as effective as not using it. Giving them spoil time would make vastly different builds more interesting

With chunks spoiling you're adding a hard restriction, and hard restrictions lower the amount of possible and viable builds ...

because belt storage encourages boring builds while being about 6x as effective as not using it. Giving them spoil time would make vastly different builds more interesting, as more aspects of ships would matter instead of only size and belt density now, such as platform speed (both short term ...

because belt storage encourages boring builds while being about 6x as effective as not using it. Giving them spoil time would make vastly different builds more interesting

With chunks spoiling you're adding a hard restriction, and hard restrictions lower the amount of possible and viable builds ...

because belt storage encourages boring builds while being about 6x as effective as not using it. Giving them spoil time would make vastly different builds more interesting, as more aspects of ships would matter instead of only size and belt density now, such as platform speed (both short term burst ...

... same strategies for everything? If promethium belts are not your thing then fine but don't ruin it for others.


because belt storage encourages boring builds while being about 6x as effective as not using it. Giving them spoil time would make vastly different builds more interesting, as more ...

... if supplies are low use productivity modules. Or produce quality untill we have X of quality Y in reserve.
This would give a nice flexible way to work with mods and quality specifically. So that doing quality on a planet is much easier to manage iso building a boring big ship and collect asteroids.

Well they are boring to fight but this isnt a combat game.

The best solution, get a tank, get green ammo shoot them in the tail. That solves your immediate needs.
Afterwards come back with a railgun.
Then again they are boring because they are on a pretty boring planet to begin with. Cant have ...

... pick up from the other side of the belt and it will get stuck horrendously.

It is easy to build too, and may even feel better to build than a boring Mining Belt with a separate Furnace Stack.

This Setup works just fine for Iron, Copper and Stone Patches, and leaves next to no desire of wanting ...

... the space platform scheduling with information+item handling between platform and planet, and it's the quality mechanic in general (super boring/tedious).

My current approach is to have a bloody mess with platform scheduling and item handling, and to ignore quality. I would just like to ...

... the space platform scheduling with information+item handling between platform and planet, and it's the quality mechanic in general (super boring/tedious).

My current approach is to have a bloody mess with platform scheduling and item handling, and to ignore quality. I would just like to ...

The demolisher fight is 100% fine. Factorio isn't a classic combat orientated game. It's an automation game, and you win if you understand how to automate everything - including combat. Fighting a demolisher is as satisfying as taking out the trash or popping pimples. That might sound negative, but ...

There are multiple ways to kill a Demolisher, and turrets are not the best option.
Killing it with 20 turrets requires either uranium ammo or multiple damage and speed upgrades. If you have those, you can also kill it with a tank.
Try to start on Vulcanus, or at least get there early, and kill the ...

so the demolishers are very big and string but the only thing you need to beat them is 20 gun turrets with ammo it would be a lot more fun if it was like a boss fight where you could beat it with a tank or something. the issue stems from the fact that demolishers are basically immune to everything ...

... And its lazy in comparison, because each tier in those megamods always used a new set of complex materials and longer chains. Not just the same boring upcycling loop.

Uptiering. I look at a megamod, and it has hundreds of new items and thousands of recipies. Or even a smaller mod like Ultracube ...

... the quality mechanics as gambling nor do I see the huge input demand as waste. What made me abandon quality manufacture is the tediousness. It's boring. If you want quality items, you need to design a specialized factory for upcycling, a different one for every one of the desired products ...

... burn attacking waves with flamethrower turrets.
With 2.0 marathon you will wait longer to get key techs but it is compensated by much weakened attack waves. Boring. If you really want fun then try "warp drive machine" with all recommended mods. Vanilla deathworld is a piece of cake compared to it.