... of noob traps. The number of new players who don't set up flamethrower turrets cause they try the crappy handheld or tank-mounted flamethrower first is a shame.


I agree with all that. 1.1 was just: Litterally anything else < gun turret creep < tank < laser turret creep (with research) < spidertron ...

... nice to be able to prioritize spitters to be targeted first for other turrets tho... However, at this point, it might require much more time and work ... than it is now.


True. I don't like this type of cheezy tactics like turret creep or mines spam. A bigger startup time for both might be nice change.

... supposition of this thread? Like, raise your hand if you agree that "turrets make all weapons pointless" ? I browsed the responses and it seems to ... Game balance is nowhere where it was almost 7 years ago.However, turret creep has existed long before Factorio was even an idea in kovarex's ...

... player has access to tank and Distractor capsule at that point.
Gun turrets are able to creep and clear up biter nests at a point were the player is not meant to be able to push yet. But a experience player will likely be able to unlock grenades, flamethrower and Defender capsule fairly quickly and ...

The efficient clear meta pre-power armor is using turrets as a firebase for cover and to fall back to, not as primary clear.

or grenades, or car ... use as your direct attacks, vs the old days of turrets doing it all.


Ok. I see, if turrets play a role, then it's this, instead of turret creep.

... cannons and spidertrons are the primary offensive weapons of the engineer.

I may have missed some of the subtlety as many of these featured creeped up on me in my time in this community, but hearing you present it like this brought tears of joys.

Factorio certainly is an interesting game ...

... suck, but most of your points seem moot today.

Yes, "the game in which turret creep isn't the meta is the game in which the player is stronger than the turrets". But that is the game we are currently living in. Players are stronger than turrets. A turret cannot throw grenades. A turret cannot throw ...

I used to be a massive turret creep player, because for some reason I was averse to the early game weapons like poison/slowdown capsules and defenders.


Good to know that combat bots may be useful again. I like them much more than laser defence, because they are expendable and production need to ...

I want to write a deeper analysis of why turret creep is so permanently embedded in the meta, and what the game would look like if it wasn't.
...
In conclusion, with the changes I suggest or anything similar, players would not feel pressured to resort to turret creep tactics in order to deal with ...

I think that it is crucial that turrets are more powerful than the player. This is a game about automation. You should automate combat to. Build ... enough turrets that's not reasonable.

I used to be a massive turret creep player, because for some reason I was averse to the early game weapons ...

Yes, but you need explosives (oil) and military science, which is not that early in the game. Military2 can be the first green science (reachable after ~30 - 60 min. playtime in default settings)

I'm pretty sure it's easy enough to have oil setup by the time medium biters are around.

Before ...

Turrets are an essential part of base defense. As your base grows you can't run and repel every alien attack. Also attacks are ment to become too strong ... build turrets near a spawner.

So if you make turrets weaker to make creep impossible then you also break base defenses. Not going to work out.

On ...

... quite impactful to save on ammo and also can clear bases without turret creep. (heavy armor and fish recommended, Stronger explosives research for medium biters)

Or use land mines. They insta-kill small and medium biters without any upgrades. They are also way cheaper to make than grenades ...

... quite impactful to save on ammo and also can clear bases without turret creep. (heavy armor and fish recommended, Stronger explosives research for medium biters)

Or use land mines. They insta-kill small and medium biters without any upgrades. They are also way cheaper to make than grenades.

I will never understand the aversion to turret creep. If you hate it so much don't do it. If you hate that it's a valid strategy well... I don't care unless you somehow convince the devs of that.

I turret creep up until I get the tank. Then I tank-ram most things in sweeping passes until I unlock power ...

This is a whole overhaul and not only a way to prevent turret creep. Maybe you want to write a mod for people to try


I submit to you that the game in which turret creep isn't the meta is the game in which the player is stronger than the turrets. Consider it: the swarms of biters and spitters are ...

... here is my general opinion on this.

I think that it is crucial that turrets are more powerful than the player. This is a game about automation. You ... out” would be a massive step in the wrong direction.

As for the turret creep: It’s not the only option you have right now. It’s not even the best ...

What? I only use turret creep for the first couple of bases, because of the lack of options. Turret creep is just incredibly slow and tedious compared to other methods that you unlock later on, especially with military science and chemical+military. Also, driving around with tanks and spidertrons, and ...

... common strategy: when taking land from enemies, setup a row of turrets near their spawners, and setup another row a bit closer, until you have ... often players attempt to suggest ways to change the game to make turret creep more difficult, or perhaps make other forms of combat less difficult ...