... nice to be able to prioritize spitters to be targeted first for other turrets tho... However, at this point, it might require much more time and ... it is now. True. I don't like this type of cheezy tactics like turret creep or mines spam. A bigger startup time for both might be nice change.

... of this thread? Like, raise your hand if you agree that "turrets make all weapons pointless" ? I browsed the responses and it ... Game balance is nowhere where it was almost 7 years ago.However, turret creep has existed long before Factorio was even an idea in kovarex's imagination. ...

... the player has access to tank and Distractor capsule at that point. Gun turrets are able to creep and clear up biter nests at a point were the player is not meant to be able to push yet. ...

The efficient clear meta pre-power armor is using turrets as a firebase for cover and to fall back to, not as primary clear. or ... it all. Ok. I see, if turrets play a role, then it's this, instead of turret creep.

Grenades, landmines (this one is abit of an exploit), flame throwers, poison capsule, rocket launcher, tank, artillery cannons and spidertrons are the primary offensive weapons of the engineer. I may have missed some of the subtlety as many of these featured creeped up on me in my time in this comm...

... but most of your points seem moot today. Yes, "the game in which turret creep isn't the meta is the game in which the player is stronger than the turrets". But ...

I used to be a massive turret creep player, because for some reason I was averse to the early game weapons like poison/slowdown capsules ...

I want to write a deeper analysis of why turret creep is so permanently embedded in the meta, and what the game would look like if it wasn't. ... In ...

I think that it is crucial that turrets are more powerful than the player. This is a game about automation. You should ... have strong enough turrets that's not reasonable. I used to be a massive turret creep player, because for some reason I was averse to the early game weapons like poison/slowdown ...

Yes, but you need explosives (oil) and military science, which is not that early in the game. Military2 can be the first green science (reachable after ~30 - 60 min. playtime in default settings) I'm pretty sure it's easy enough to have oil setup by the time medium biters are around. Before that it...

... strong for the player to dispatch on their own. You are ment to build turrets and walls as defence. As such turrets have to be strong enough to ... you build turrets near a spawner. So if you make turrets weaker to make creep impossible then you also break base defenses. Not going to work out. ...

... quite impactful to save on ammo and also can clear bases without turret creep. (heavy armor and fish recommended, Stronger explosives research for medium biters) Or ...

... quite impactful to save on ammo and also can clear bases without turret creep. (heavy armor and fish recommended, Stronger explosives research for medium biters) Or ...

I will never understand the aversion to turret creep. If you hate it so much don't do it. If you hate that it's a valid strategy well... I don't care ...

This is a whole overhaul and not only a way to prevent turret creep. Maybe you want to write a mod for people to try I submit to you that the game in which turret ...

... but here is my general opinion on this. I think that it is crucial that turrets are more powerful than the player. This is a game about automation. ... out” would be a massive step in the wrong direction. As for the turret creep: It’s not the only option you have right now. It’s not even the best. ...

What? I only use turret creep for the first couple of bases, because of the lack of options. Turret creep is just incredibly slow and ...

... common strategy: when taking land from enemies, setup a row of turrets near their spawners, and setup another row a bit closer, until you ... often players attempt to suggest ways to change the game to make turret creep more difficult, or perhaps make other forms of combat less difficult. ...

... ; it's easier to stay with simple research at first, just add more turrets, which doesn't cost anything (compared to science) and don't create ... needed and make occasional clearing runs. I make usually one turret creep expansion at beginning, another when I get tank and when I have power ...